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dos350
September 20, 2011, 15:52
look everyone, im angband legit, if anyone else on here is 2, then u will know wat i am meaning by that,

anyone crying 2 change this game 4 their own desires is a wicked man.

changing this game 4 the worse 2 is a wicked deed, and will not go unpunished,

not that the game is changing fast or anything but i dont think ive seen any lack of crying on this site since i joined,

angband is great, it should remain that way ~ also its very hard 2 improve on greatness if u understand my words,

2 anyone out there crying out their eyeballs cos they just got 1hit by some mature green dragon, or finds alot of banish but refused 2 use it but instead decided 2 whine at the forums, and especially all those who think that selling items for zero gold and going easy on the stairs feels "natural"

think b4 u cry,

dont seek 2 destroy anything so epic legit~

instead, try 2 bask in the greatness

u r not needing 2 cry, think of it as a learning experience

sorry 2 keep bringing this up, but i think a lot of people miss the point of all my posts entirely!, not that im caring, but i think that i am saying this 4 the good of angband.

goodluck

Therem Harth
September 20, 2011, 17:37
What the...


anyone crying 2 change this game 4 their own desires is a wicked man.

changing this game 4 the worse 2 is a wicked deed, and will not go unpunished,

Okay... Get off your chair, turn off your computer, and go outside for a bit. Breath in the fresh air. Take a walk. If it's raining, take an umbrella.

Read a book. Share a meal with some friends. Do anything other than playing Angband or posting on this forum. Spend at least a fully day doing things that do not involve Angband at all.

Then, once you've gone and gotten some perspective, come back here and take a look at what you've posted. Chances are it won't look so clever any more.

Magnate
September 20, 2011, 17:54
Please don't feed the troll.

dos350
September 20, 2011, 17:54
sorry but im not trying 2 look clever here, this is my true feelings of this place, no need 4 qqing

Malak Darkhunter
September 20, 2011, 21:56
I have been around these forums for several years now, and rarely have I seen someone complaining. I have saw people suggesting their ideas on how to improve the game, and that is how this game has become so great is through everybody's suggestions and game play feedback. You would in your own words stop progress.

Nick
September 20, 2011, 22:21
The usual advice for someone who is unhappy with development is that they should make their own variant.

dosband? ogband? eee~band? rageband?

Magnate
September 20, 2011, 22:37
The usual advice for someone who is unhappy with development is that they should make their own variant.

dosband? ogband? eee~band? rageband?I quite like eeeBand - as long as I could play it on an EeeePC.

ekolis
September 20, 2011, 22:56
The Drushocka hits! You take quadruple damage to your shields!

(ok, that's a really obscure joke that only like 2 people here are going to get... but meh :P)

qwerty
September 20, 2011, 23:11
Please don't feed the troll.
Love it - can you forcibly set that as his signature?

Magnate
September 20, 2011, 23:31
Love it - can you forcibly set that as his signature?No, but I can set it as mine.

dos350
September 21, 2011, 05:47
im not trying 2 stop progress, im trying 2 remind everyone they dnt need 2 ruin wat is good already ok~, no rage involved!

and nn4 making variant 4 350 atm , it would probably b vanilla 3.12v2

Napsterbater
September 21, 2011, 05:53
Personally, I think it'd be a real great exercise for someone who likes old versions better than the new ones to grab the source code and backport the UI improvements. Heck of a lot easier than building a variant and great practice for maybe one day contributing their own ideas/code.

I'd do it myself, but I honestly just see the game getting better and better!

dos350
September 21, 2011, 07:05
i see it getting better in some ways, but worse in others,

also i see people crying 2 make it worse, which i think is entirely inappropriate~

Malak Darkhunter
September 21, 2011, 11:12
i see it getting better in some ways, but worse in others,

also i see people crying 2 make it worse, which i think is entirely inappropriate~

this is why we often have voting polls. But the decision to change something is up to the maintainer, and development team. My personal opinion is the game so far outshines anything I've ever seen before in V. It is all about balance, but fundamentaly the game remains the same as it has always been, I don't see where any changes have been for the worse. The game was based off of moria, and moria was desighned to be impossible to beat, I am sure the development team always keeps that in mind.

Magnate
September 21, 2011, 11:53
this is why we often have voting polls. But the decision to change something is up to the maintainer, and development team. My personal opinion is the game so far outshines anything I've ever seen before in V. It is all about balance, but fundamentaly the game remains the same as it has always been, I don't see where any changes have been for the worse. The game was based off of moria, and moria was desighned to be impossible to beat, I am sure the development team always keeps that in mind.Thanks for the kind words - it's great that people are enjoying the newer versions. We have as a team accepted that the game has become easier over the past couple of years: 3.2.0 is certainly a lot easier to beat than 3.0.9 was. This was an accident, arising from the confluence of a number of different changes which were not individually intended to make things easier, but added up to that effect. Since 3.2.0 we've been working hard to find ways to make the game more challenging without either undoing previous improvements or breaking things with too-drastic changes or putting off new players or increasing tedium. This is quite difficult to do and takes time, which is why 3.3.0 is only a little tougher than 3.2.0 and not dramatically so. It will probably take several more versions until the balance is back to the old days of almost-impossible, but in the meantime every new version will be slightly more challenging, more playable, more interesting and with better UI.

nppangband
September 21, 2011, 13:35
.....and with better UI.

On that note, what I am currently working on for NPP is getting the FAAngband-style mouse support working with NPP (which is currently aligned with the Angband 3.1.2v2 base code). When I am done it will go up on github as a single commit,which would probably be a good start for a ui-enhancing patch for Vanilla if the V devteam is interested. Isn't there already a ticket for FAAngband mouse support for vanilla?

Magnate
September 21, 2011, 13:46
On that note, what I am currently working on for NPP is getting the FAAngband-style mouse support working with NPP (which is currently aligned with the Angband 3.1.2v2 base code). When I am done it will go up on github as a single commit,which would probably be a good start for a ui-enhancing patch for Vanilla if the V devteam is interested. Isn't there already a ticket for FAAngband mouse support for vanilla?Lots of them: #115, #183, #425, #618 ... it's been a goal for a long time, so I'm sure a patch which makes it easier to incorporate your/Nick's work would be much appreciated. ISTR Nick has updated to the 3.2.0 codebase - unfortunately there were some more input layer changes in 3.3, but nothing major since then.

dos350
September 21, 2011, 14:15
glad 2 see another 3.12v2 fanatic in this thread,

the game is getting better in good ways ok, and it is great work, but nn2 think uve solved all the games problems and then change it afterward 2 suite that~ aka regain stat on lvl up.

personally , i rofl at this new mechanic, its ez 2 abuse and also more tedious than potion, even if they r not at store, why not just hav both?

other examples i could giv but dnt think needing, please try 2 understand the point of this thread and not hijack it 4 ur own glory

nppangband
September 21, 2011, 14:48
Lots of them: #115, #183, #425, #618 ... it's been a goal for a long time, so I'm sure a patch which makes it easier to incorporate your/Nick's work would be much appreciated. ISTR Nick has updated to the 3.2.0 codebase - unfortunately there were some more input layer changes in 3.3, but nothing major since then.

Nick and I have traded a couple messages about it. He had to remove most of his mouse support to get FAAngband working with the 3.2.0 codebase, & he hasn't yet added it back in. I am converting the mouse support from the last FA version that had it working, so he might be taking a look at that NPP commit as well.

My commit probably won't resemble a working patch for Vanilla because the 3.1.2v2 codebase is so different than the current one, but it should be a relatively simple cut-and-paste job with minimal de-bugging as long as buttons.c hasn't changed much.

Magnate
September 21, 2011, 15:16
My commit probably won't resemble a working patch for Vanilla because the 3.1.2v2 codebase is so different than the current one, but it should be a relatively simple cut-and-paste job with minimal de-bugging as long as buttons.c hasn't changed much.Ah, well that's good news - button.c has had only three new lines since 2008, so things are looking good.

nppangband
September 21, 2011, 15:24
Ah, well that's good news - button.c has had only three new lines since 2008, so things are looking good.

:::checks github::: Yep, I noticed the same issue, and wrote practically the exact same 3 lines of code to fix it. So we should be OK. :)

dos350
September 21, 2011, 15:37
please, keep on topic

Derakon
September 21, 2011, 17:31
http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/stayontopic.jpg

Just give it up, dude. Topics go where they want to, and you have about as much control over them as anyone else does (i.e. very little).

dos350
September 21, 2011, 18:23
rofl did u make that pic urself?, anyway ok i can see that people want 2 cry and rage its ok, topic is open 4 discussion if neone is serious ~~~

Derakon
September 21, 2011, 18:28
Sadly no, I didn't make it. I thought of the idea, then thought "Somebody's already made this", and Google Image Search proved me right. :)

Timo Pietilš
September 21, 2011, 18:54
i see it getting better in some ways, but worse in others,

also i see people crying 2 make it worse, which i think is entirely inappropriate~

Do yourself a favor and learn to distinguish harder from worse.

dos350
September 22, 2011, 05:56
rofl timo, in my opinion the game isnt harder than it was when i started, in 3.12v2

i played that version more than 3.2 and 3.3 combined id say, and that is alot.

the game has infact become easier imo, for some following reasons:

stat restore/ lvl = easy 2 abuse, aka drain urself.
negative (-x, -x) isnt around anymore on magic items, or its very rare, so ez 2 get item.
lvl feelings now show everytime, even if u scum terribly on the stairs

and much more, so tell me? are u angband devs not blinded by ur work?

Timo Pietilš
September 22, 2011, 06:22
rofl timo, in my opinion the game isnt harder than it was when i started, in 3.12v2

So stop complaining every time someone suggest a change that would make game harder.

nppangband
September 23, 2011, 00:55
Try Angband 2.8.3. That version went unchanged for years. If you can live without mouse support it offers plenty of entertainment and challenge.

dos350
September 23, 2011, 14:36
i dont complain at change that make game harder, only change that game worse, more annoying 2 play etc

Magnate
September 23, 2011, 23:38
i dont complain at change that make game harder, only change that game worse, more annoying 2 play etcThat's not true. There are plenty of posts in which you complain about ideas for making the game harder. Please don't tell fibs.

buzzkill
September 24, 2011, 02:45
i dont complain at change that make game harder, only change that game worse, more annoying 2 play etc

I think what he meant is "i only complain at the things that i dont like, things that i not sure if i like or no, and some other stuff 2"

It was suprisingly hard to work the "2" into that. Am I being a dick?

dos350
September 24, 2011, 05:33
no lies involved magnate, if u can find one please point it out here, i would love 2 discuss it with u directly~