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Psi
March 17, 2008, 09:46
Having a break from the comp character, I decided to check out the new thrall mode. I've had two particularly successful characters....

1. CL28. Notable finds were HA Battle Axe, randart combat ring (with +3 STR, rDark), Elvenkind armour, BoS(+9) !!!, many useful devices and stat potions. Got killed by the Stone of Lore! I was so chuffed when I found it as I could finally start IDing some of my kit. Unfortunately I didn't realise the difference between a warrior using it and someone with a mana reserve and I got paralyzed and battered to death by a Spirit Troll.

2. CL28 again. This guy found a Rod of Perception which made all the difference! His other best finds were Balli Stonehand and Elvenkind armour and shield. Got killed by Balli (indirectly). Basically the regen on Balli meant his food supply didn't last long. I had to go scumming for food. Got chased by a demon pit which took all my ?*Destruction* to evade and then I got jumped by Tevildo.

Thoughts... loads of fun, though the games don't often last long. The starting food supply is not adequate (and there doesn't seem to be much lying about!) - perhaps start with 10 ?Satisfy Hunger instead? I think if you find recall - rather than 'Nothing Happens' it should set your current location as a recall point for when you do get home. It will be really galling to make your way to Gondolin to set up home and then have to make it all the way back to Angband again on foot.

As a final anecdote, I just had a shortlived Petty Dwarf Assassin. He survived long enough to pick up four items before dying (to a trap I think). I checked his inventory from the death screen to find the unId'd objects included Hithlomir and BoS(+10)... gutted.

Nick
March 17, 2008, 10:42
Thoughts... loads of fun, though the games don't often last long. The starting food supply is not adequate (and there doesn't seem to be much lying about!) - perhaps start with 10 ?Satisfy Hunger instead?


Hasn't been an issue for me :rolleyes:
Maybe waybread or cakes of the Beornings?

I think if you find recall - rather than 'Nothing Happens' it should set your current location as a recall point for when you do get home. It will be really galling to make your way to Gondolin to set up home and then have to make it all the way back to Angband again on foot.


Possibly - or maybe have a preset one at the starting point.

As a final anecdote, I just had a shortlived Petty Dwarf Assassin. He survived long enough to pick up four items before dying (to a trap I think). I checked his inventory from the death screen to find the unId'd objects included Hithlomir and BoS(+10)... gutted.

:) I think I'm going to have to go and play a few now...

Psi
March 17, 2008, 10:54
Hasn't been an issue for me :rolleyes:
Maybe waybread or cakes of the Beornings?
I did actually think of that last night - but forgot this morning... You certainly need a good stock of them though. If I start with less than 5 rations I throw caution to the wind and am not so bothered if my char dies, because death by misadventure is better than starvation!

Psi
March 17, 2008, 13:10
Another somewhat typical scenario... tried on a shield... oops its cursed. Read unId'd scroll... the large metal shield disappears from view... you have no more scrolls of acquirement. How the RNG must be laughing.

Psi
March 17, 2008, 13:28
Another somewhat typical scenario... tried on a shield... oops its cursed. Read unId'd scroll... the large metal shield disappears from view... you have no more scrolls of acquirement. How the RNG must be laughing.
Now this is silly. As I already had one cursed item and an artifact waiting to replace it I wield tested a helm - cursed again. Now the other helm in my inventory has pseudo'd as {special}. Arrggghhh.

Please can I have a scroll or remove curse?! Please!

Nick
March 17, 2008, 13:54
Please can I have a scroll or remove curse?! Please!

Heh - I've got a *Remove Curse*. Testing thrall mode in the development version; first kill was a shimmering vortex, for 2500 XP and level 21 :)

Psi
March 17, 2008, 13:59
Well just died when a shimmering vortex aggravated an ancient white D... and the irony is that the first {tried} staff I had in my inventory was remove curse - I just hadn't tried it since I picked up the cursed stuff... I am *so* annoyed - yet amused at the same time. I had the shield of the Swan and Ecthelion in my pack and couldn't use either.

One thing to note is that when you get those duplicate @s in the dungeons, it seems they can be attacked (unless the one centred around wasn't me!). That was nasty.

Psi
March 17, 2008, 21:58
My best thrall yet (http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=7603) has made it back to Gondolin. However there is a shop in his nice new home :(

Pete Mack
March 18, 2008, 00:26
That is incredible-fantastic gear @ cl 30 and speed +20. I almost never find boots of speed. :/

Psi
March 18, 2008, 07:29
That is incredible-fantastic gear @ cl 30 and speed +20. I almost never find boots of speed. :/
Usually I hardly ever see BoS either. However in two days (in three different thrall games), I have had 2 BoS(+9) and 1 BoS(+10)! Angfauglith 58 must be the ideal place for them to be created or something.

The kit is entirely down to thrall mode of course. Starting at DL58 means that anything you find has a good chance of being useful (I guess autoscum ups the odds even further). I only have the XP I have because of hunting down packs of Vrocks, which seem to be the best prey at this depth.

Nick
March 18, 2008, 07:44
However there is a shop in his nice new home :(

It seems that there's a bug with making a home in thrall mode, but exiting the game and reopening it seems to fix it. Don't know why yet :)

Pete Mack
March 18, 2008, 07:53
I kind of assumed there were Vrocks and Mumaks involved... Also, what are the mysterious modifiers on this?

i) a Knight's Shield of Elvenkind [3(10),+11(+22)]

Psi
March 18, 2008, 09:29
I kind of assumed there were Vrocks and Mumaks involved...
I've never paid any attention to Mumaks because they don't drop anything - perhaps I should given the XP...
Also, what are the mysterious modifiers on this?

i) a Knight's Shield of Elvenkind [3(10),+11(+22)]
When wielding a 2 handed weapon, you wear your shield on your back which reduces its useful AC to you, but still confers all the resists and powers. Therefore the numbers in brackets are what you would get if you were carrying it normally.

Psi
March 19, 2008, 16:04
...and he's a winner! (http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=7603)

pav
March 19, 2008, 17:10
That's frickin' scary to win under 48 hours. Good job on that!

Psi
March 19, 2008, 17:11
That's frickin' scary to win under 48 hours. Good job on that!
That's what happens when you have a *band in your pocket! :)

Nick
March 20, 2008, 00:33
...and he's a winner! (http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=7603)

So, too easy, or too hard? Or any other adjustments? Should Mim be taken off the specialties list for thralls, or is that a reasonable reward? And some characters might still have a challenge with Mim - I can imagine a Dark Elf just waiting for night and then legging it across the desert, for example.

Psi
March 20, 2008, 10:36
So, too easy, or too hard?
It will very much depend, firstly on your race and class and secondly on how lucky you get with gear.

My theory was that to give myself the best chance I needed a dwarf so I could make the most of the rubble in the desert (and not let it slow me when fleeing!) and I needed to be a rogue or assassin for the stealth (incl. unlight). At some point you are going to use-id teleport and TL and you need to give yourself the best chance of being able to survive finding yourself in the middle of nowhere (save your ?*Destructions* specifically for this type of crisis!). I think other combos will have a *much* harder time of it.

I got very lucky with early gear - Thunderfist was a fantastic weapon and there's not a lot you can say about +17 speed!
Or any other adjustments?
I still think more food is a good idea (something light like waybread or cakes) because starving would be awful but otherwise I think it is about right. I've no idea if there are enough light sources as I've always taken unlight so far.
Should Mim be taken off the specialties list for thralls, or is that a reasonable reward? And some characters might still have a challenge with Mim - I can imagine a Dark Elf just waiting for night and then legging it across the desert, for example.
It seems a bit over the top having to trek back to AR15 when you are so overpowered for that level. I think Pete's suggestion of giving you the speciality for making it home is a very good one.

All in all it was a lot of fun and I must admit I am stlil playing this char down at Ang127. That 1d21 weapon with mana burn is just awesome. It is the first time I have just stood and traded blows with Gothmog without a RoP to help. He summoned Balrogs and all sorts and I just hacked my way through them all without TAing anything. Cantoras barely survived three rounds with me and was destroyed early in the fourth.... oh and splatting Grand Master Mystics is one of my favourite pasttimes at the moment. How I hate them and it is so nice to have the upper hand over them for once!

Nick
March 20, 2008, 13:25
I still think more food is a good idea (something light like waybread or cakes) because starving would be awful but otherwise I think it is about right.

Done.

I've no idea if there are enough light sources as I've always taken unlight so far.


Hadn't thought about that; my feeling is it won't often be a problem (you can always unwield light during the day, too).

It seems a bit over the top having to trek back to AR15 when you are so overpowered for that level. I think Pete's suggestion of giving you the speciality for making it home is a very good one.

Yes, I'll think about that one.