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Jude
May 16, 2008, 21:19
For me it's about 7 years this spring. I've played mostly Zangband, mostly with a Vampire Chaos Warrior but lately I've switched to Human Death Knight or Human Chaos Warrior, and also been playing a Vanilla Elf Ranger. And never won.

Am I the only one that's been winless for that amount of time?

Bandobras
May 17, 2008, 10:01
14 years and counting. But his whole "winning" thing is overrated. Even, only very recently some variants have any kind of special end game, really.

hugorune
May 17, 2008, 10:19
Since Moria - on and off though.

Jude
May 17, 2008, 17:44
14 years and counting. But his whole "winning" thing is overrated. Even, only very recently some variants have any kind of special end game, really.

Well that makes it anticlimactic

Although tbh just being on dungeon level 99 or 100 would be enough for me

will_asher
May 18, 2008, 02:54
I've only been playing Angband for about two years and haven't won, but I played Nethack for about ten years before getting my first win (and only ever won it once).

Narvius
May 18, 2008, 10:46
A half year.

Rizwan
May 18, 2008, 16:26
On and off about 17 years starting with Rogue.

smithfield
May 18, 2008, 17:01
The first rogue-like I saw was Moria on a classic mac back in '88. It wasn't my machine, I couldn't delve properly until later, but that was when it started for me. 20 years. You could very easily get less for first degree murder. :)

There have been close calls. I had a paladin get to Evil Iggy in Moria (which as I understand is very close to the bottom). And my last character (a dwarf warrior?) was deep, Great Wyrm and Balrog deep. But I always used to play slow and careful. The wonderful people on this list inspired me to try crazy dives down to stat gain level. It's like a new game again. Old items have new uses. No longer do I have to kill everything (or anything) on a level.

Poop Loops
May 18, 2008, 18:57
The first rogue-like I saw was Moria on a classic mac back in '88. It wasn't my machine, I couldn't delve properly until later, but that was when it started for me. 20 years. You could very easily get less for first degree murder. :)

Hahaha yeah, but prison isn't as fun, now is it?

Whelk
May 20, 2008, 07:32
I've been Angbanding without a win for about 14 years now ... and I used to cheat, too. I've just in the past month started playing without cheating, and it's much more fun and exciting.

Svladd Cjelik
May 20, 2008, 09:14
Six years now, always Z. Never won, but I've come close. I think my current Mage has a chance as well, level 50, max stats and +12 natural speed atm. Need those rare spell books, more speed, a couple of res's and I'll give it another shot. Will keep ya posted!

The Sparrow
May 27, 2008, 11:34
I started playing Umoria as a kid in the late 80s and early 90s (i used to play it on my dad's allegedly portable computer, the ones that looked like giant cinder blocks, with the monochrome screen)...I didnt play it all that seriously for a long time. Then when I did it probably took three years to find and kill the Balrog....and my character that did it spent a LOT of time fleeing the almighty Balrog until he was ready to fight him.

Ive only picked up Angband in the last 6 months or so, and havent gotten all that deep....clvl 35 or so...I havent been playing it seriously since i got my new computer either. I find playing it old school because I now have vista is annoying.

daft
May 27, 2008, 21:50
I've played off and on for 7 years. I've had two computers crash during that time and each time I couldn't make a copy of my hard drive :(

I haven't won a game yet but I think I've got a character that can do it now. I've installed a back up drive, so even a dead pc shouldn't stop me!

Mondkalb
May 29, 2008, 18:24
Years and years and years ... starting with Moria on the Amiga back in the 80s.

I managed only twice to win the game, last autumn and this spring.

Garrie
May 30, 2008, 13:52
erm, I picked up Moria in 1991. I played Frog-Knows when it was the new version. And I've never won.

Garrie
May 30, 2008, 13:55
Hahaha yeah, but prison isn't as fun, now is it?

Well, I've been working in one since my youngest was born... as long as you get to go home every day, they're a laugh a minute!

Garrie
May 30, 2008, 13:57
I've been Angbanding without a win for about 14 years now ... and I used to cheat, too. I've just in the past month started playing without cheating, and it's much more fun and exciting.

Even though it is really easy to roll up a new @, it is amazing how much difference it makes that the new one is different compared to even save-scumming with an @ that has never seen 50'.

uberbacon
June 1, 2008, 12:53
I started playing 1999, first a little bit of vanilla but I soon changed to ZAngband (2.2.8) and didn't change variant since then. I played with hundreds of extra monsters for a while, manually added monsters to the r_info from many other variants. Recently, I realized how unbalancedly difficault it actually was with dragonriders and stuff so I restored the original r_info. The game is more fun now :P

Of course I haven't actively played all these years, just small periods here and there with occasional year-long breaks. I've had a few level 50 characters at least (warriors and chaos-warriors), one was actually doing quite good but died on level 99 by Oberon. Don't laugh!

Skelwing
June 1, 2008, 22:24
I've been playing on and off for about two years, alternating between Vanilla, ToME and NetHack. Never had a winner, but the Vanilla character I have going right now is doing pretty well - maxed stats, level 40, multi-hued DSM, and a nice artifact weapon.

will_asher
June 2, 2008, 00:03
It must be hard switching between Angband and Nethack. I started with Hack and then Nethack, but don't play Nethack anymore, not because I don't like it, but because it's a lot of trouble to rework my mind to fit the stategy and stuff of the game I'm playing because Nethack and Angband have very different strategies and gameplay and stuff.

Snotty
June 10, 2008, 10:06
Ive been playing angband for around 11 years now on and off without ever winning. Ive not even got half way through the dungeon as I wont cheat with the save file. Now thats what I call value for money in a game

tprice
June 24, 2008, 03:49
Off and on since Moria back in '90 or 91. Mostly short lived mages but this time a Troll Warrior in V and about to leave stat gain for unknown below 2000'...

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm

Zikke
July 2, 2008, 20:15
I've been playing off and on since Moria (took a long time off around the Diablo and Warcraft years). Still no win, even though I have gotten to max depth and max stats and full resists. I guess I'm just not strategic enough to pull the final trigger...

nobody
July 21, 2008, 11:18
i've been playing for about 18 years, started with umoria i think, i played hack a little too, but always prefered moria/angband. i was around 10 when i started, and don't much remember back then

Papayouki
July 21, 2008, 14:57
I was about 16 when I first played angband on my Amiga.
Due to a problem of space on the disk, I was not able to save after playing more than one hour. So I just tried the game.
I won once when I was 21, but I was save-scumming.

Time to time I install a new version (now nppangband) and try it.

But I never won the game. I am 35, so that's 19 year of stupid deaths, bad luck and overconfidence.

Pete Mack
July 28, 2008, 05:58
DO IT. I was suffering from 2500' to ~4000; I just could not get past 3000'.

So I made a copy of a partial-stat-gained character at 2000', then played over and over until I found a speed ring at native depth (3750'). After that, winning was much, much easier. The quadratic-time learning curve can be a huge turn-off, and there are reasonable ways to cheat that do not defeat the purpose.

Cardinal Rob
July 28, 2008, 18:33
Took me about 10 years on and off play to beat Angband, although I had beaten Moria in my youth and Zangband twice.

I finally beat Angband with a half-elf rogue.

Usually I die out of carelessness and boredom. If I stagger my play to about 1 hour a day or so, I find I can beat it.

darkdrone
July 29, 2008, 17:13
year and a half , not that i dont have standing power, but a whole lot of Angband out there!

awldune
July 29, 2008, 19:32
Started playing in early 90's with Frog-Knows. Got two winners around 2002, but no winners since. I've been playing NPP since it came out, which might be part of why.

Tenka
August 20, 2008, 13:57
Drat, I came in hoping to blow some minds with "12 YEARS FELLAS", but some of you have me beat.

I usually get tired by about lvl40, can't be arsed getting a kit together covering all resists for a push towards to lower lvls so I just hoarde a big pile of uniques at my house and become the bane of Trolls.


I started off with Vanilla angband in the dark age before the internet..the game facinated me before I figured out how to decend into the dungeon and eat food to avoid starvation :)
Took a good many years before I was able to run a decently strong character and it was only 2 years ago that I met another human who had ever heard of this and still played it.

Zikke
August 20, 2008, 17:56
and it was only 2 years ago that I met another human who had ever heard of this and still played it.


I've still never met anybody IRL that plays any *band variant. I imagine the mathematics of the matter make it improbable. My fiancee can appreciate the concept, but still looks at me funny when she sees me playing (and then she log into WoW for a couple hours...)

Tenka
August 20, 2008, 18:54
I've still never met anybody IRL that plays any *band variant. I imagine the mathematics of the matter make it improbable. My fiancee can appreciate the concept, but still looks at me funny when she sees me playing (and then she log into WoW for a couple hours...)
I was playing it at a library one time in between study (since it will run straight from a thumb drive) and I noticed some guy who had been sitting next to me was watching.
It's called Angband, I say.

I've been watching for 10 minutes, he says, and I have absolutely no idea what you are doing ..is it some kind of game?


After playing for so long I had no idea how unlike a game it looks to most people.

Zikke
August 20, 2008, 19:10
That's how most of us can play it at work, I imagine. To the unenlightented, it looks like some warped version of DOS or kernel programming. :confused:

Tenka
August 20, 2008, 19:25
That's how most of us can play it at work, I imagine. To the unenlightented, it looks like some warped version of DOS or kernel programming. :confused:My girlfriend called it an 'ant simulator', and if she caught me playing it: there would be no sex that night.


Some guy at college was giving away an old laptop (really old like a '94 IBM) of course nobody wanted the damn thing ..too slow for internet, no memory. I took it.

Mobile Angband baby!

He couldn't understand why I was so pleased to have it?

Fenrir
December 12, 2008, 14:59
3-4 months before my first win.

GSN
December 17, 2008, 13:29
I have never won Angband or any other roguelike (or even gotten very far). Probably because I can't fit into the methodical, thorough, and accurate style of play required by most RLs (and Angband in particular). I never remember I had that wand, scroll, or spell that would have saved my character. Also, I don't have patience for wizard types, selecting spells and the like, as fighters are easier in the beginning (except in ADOM, where their effectiveness stops abruptly after a dozen levels).

Here's how far I have gotten in the various games (which I have been playing since 1997 at least):

Angband - I didn't play Vanilla much, my best character was a twenty-something lvl Chaos Warrior in Z, who fell to Khufu and his escort at about dungeon level 30. I like Chaos Warriors, because they have the potential to get good stuff quickly due to random god gifts. Searching for a good or great weapon (excluding unique drops) is *boring*, and so is amassing gold to buy them from the store.
And well, there was that ToME module which had playable spider races in it, including a green one, which could shoot poison balls at will and being a sorcerer ensured a large mana reserve. That made it ridiculously easy until mid-levels, where poison resistant monsters started to appear.

Nethack - I ran a couple of Barbarians to the bottom of the Gnomish Mines and that was that. Never could advance past level 10 or so without being gored to death by a rothe or some such. The scarcity of identify scrolls pretty much makes the game unplayable in the long run - while you can guess wands and rings by reading spoilers, it is not so easy with weapons and armor.

ADOM - this is the only game in which my spellcasters, especially gnomish elementalists with 4 talents, fared better than fighters. I think the best one was about level 20 and died in the Tower of Fire. I never made it to the Guardian in the CoC, though I did recover RotHK on couple of times.

Crawl - this is my new love, similar to Nethack but with a more sensible distribution of ident scrolls. But I still die before character level 10. I've just lost a dwarf berserker to a bunch of orcs, even though I had a wand of cold and teleport scrolls and was fighting them in a corridor.

madtal
December 27, 2008, 02:09
Off & on for about 16 years, starting with rogue & then I think Moria. Now my son & I play angband 3.06 & I still haven't won. Beats work though.

Jagoop
December 29, 2008, 13:28
I've been playing Rogue, Moria, Angband, Nethack and ADOM on and off for more than 20 years (actually closer to 25) ... I've won Angband once, sometimes in the early '90 - and never since.

I fondly remember my first dedicated roguelike 386 PC - this one was with me for more than 8 years. And I still have an old Compaq 386 laptop with nethack installed :rolleyes:

JungleBlond
January 15, 2009, 09:15
I started with Rogue on our family's first laptop - I think someone on here mentioned 'cinderblock with a monochromatic screen'? That was way back in the day. Then I took a break for several years till my brother got me started on Angband (I think Rogue was his fault too...) seven or eight years ago. Haven't won yet and just lost my best character so far. Well, he was the comp 62 character, so he had a bit of a boost to start (yay PDSM!). Lucky 2nd made it to 2400 ft and CL 38 before Ren the Unclean took him out. :( I may play off that start file again, just so I can have the resists to get me past the 2000' wall (he's the first I've had get that deep - the other is at 1800). The same brother is the one who just got me started on these forums - and my first comp on Christmas day. :p

buzzkill
January 15, 2009, 15:29
FOREVER. I played Moria back in the day on my C64, later Rogue (with graphics) on my Amiga 500. I also seem to recall playing some roguelike, with shops within the dungeon that you could buy from or tunnel into, but then a mob of keystone cops would show up. I started paying the current RL's about 6 months ago. I consistently make CL30 with a nice low turn count, but can't seem to turn the corner. Never won.

Crayz9000
January 18, 2009, 07:38
FOREVER. I played Moria back in the day on my C64, later Rogue (with graphics) on my Amiga 500. I also seem to recall playing some roguelike, with shops within the dungeon that you could buy from or tunnel into, but then a mob of keystone cops would show up. I started paying the current RL's about 6 months ago. I consistently make CL30 with a nice low turn count, but can't seem to turn the corner. Never won.

That was either Hack or an early version of Nethack. It's still the same way, if you are in a shop, grab something, and teleport out the Keystone Cops show up and mob you with cream pies and rubber hoses.

It's best not to do that unless you're a high-level chaotic character (with some item of reflection, for some reason all shopkeepers carry at least a wand of magic missile and usually some elemental wand) and really don't like the shopkeepers. Just leave poor Izchak alone.

I think I had a YASD at some point where I was in a shop, fighting a mimic IIRC, and stupidly decided to read an unidentified scroll. Turned out to be teleport, the shopkeeper came after me and that was the end of that character.

Larvitz
January 19, 2009, 02:38
2 years. Haven't won Vanilla, Z, ADOM, ToME, DEFINATELY not Nethack, and I've never played any of the really old ones, (Rogue, Hack, etc) so yeah... but by God I shan't give up!

Magnate
February 9, 2009, 19:37
Wow. It was SO good to read this thread and discover that there are so many people who have been trying for longer than me. I'm like GSN - don't have the methodical patience to win (btw, I guess you're not the author of GSNband, 'cos he'd have been playing for longer). I've been trying regularly for 9 years, but if you count Moria that becomes 19 years, though there was a long gap (~6 yrs) in between.

CC

Solocutor
February 9, 2009, 21:26
I remember my mom talking about this guy at work who played this weird game where all the people were letters or something. Later, that guy gave us his old computer (my first computer) and a bunch of software on 5 1/4" floppies. Out of all those old games, Moria was hands-down the best.

It's been about 15 years of sporadic play, and I haven't beaten any variant legit. I beat Vanilla and Zangband through copius savefile cheating. (I'm starting to reform my ways, but it's difficult.)

Mikael
February 20, 2009, 13:08
I have been playing first Moria then Angband since 1994, I think, and I am currently obsessed with NPPAngband.

I haven't had any winner yet. And maybe I don't want to since I am afraid that might take the fun out of the game...: :)

Once back in 1995 I save scummed a char down to Morgoth, but then lost intrest and didn't play for a long time. Haven't save scummed since, and never will.

/Mikael

Nolendil
February 23, 2009, 16:11
My first roguelike was Angband on my Amiga 1200 under Ben Harrison's era. I think I just got the game from Aminet, tried it and got addicted.
It was a 2.7.x version, probably around 1996. Make it 12-13 years then, on and off.
I used to save-scum heavily (something I stopped doing only 2 years ago) and still never won : I often overwrote backup saves with ones that were unusable (one turn before unavoidable death), otherwise I lost my save files or interest in my character after a too long break from Angband.

I then started to try several roguelikes and Angband variants : Rogue, ADOM, NetHack, Omega, POWDER, Yipe! (http://www.yipesoftware.com/yipeiii_screen2.htm), CthAngband, ZAngband, PernAngband/ToME... I keep on giving a try to new and old roguelikes whenever I stumble upon them but I spent more time on Vanilla (and to a lesser extent, ToME) than any other. I won none of them anyway.

And now, I'm back to V and intend to win it (or die trying... again :) ).
My current character (http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8502) is also the best non-cheating one (dump not exactly up to date, she's level 30 at dlvl 30). Wish her luck ;)
I just need to play more often or I might lose this character savefile like many others...


Sidenote:
In order to detect other roguelike players, I use the Borg screensaver. It's easy to see which people recognize the patterns :)
I found one or two *banders this way and initiated a few of the less confused people attracted by the screensaver to the way of *banding.
So far, none has played more than a few games (although they liked it).

PaulBlay
February 23, 2009, 16:57
I then started to try several roguelikes and Angband variants : Rogue, ADOM, NetHack, Omega, POWDER, Yipe! (http://www.yipesoftware.com/yipeiii_screen2.htm), CthAngband, ZAngband, PernAngband/ToME...

Yipe is a new one on me. I shall have to give it a try.

Nolendil
February 23, 2009, 17:30
I thought Yipe! would not be very famous but I believe it was pretty popular among Mac users when it came out.
I haven't played it for a decade but I believe the game had a touch of stupid humour that I found quite fun.

PaulBlay
February 23, 2009, 17:32
I thought Yipe! would not be very famous but I believe it was pretty popular among Mac users when it came out.
I haven't played it for years but I believe the game had a touch of stupid humour that I found quite fun.

The game I usually promote at this point is Elona. It's translated from Japanese and has that mix of cute, sexy and ewww going on in the background that the Japanese can do so well. :p
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html

Nolendil
February 23, 2009, 18:00
Hehe, thanks for the link.

PaulBlay
February 25, 2009, 17:33
To get back 'on topic' for this thread. The only standard roguelike I've won on was Omega (with save scumming - practically mandatory for Omega IMO). In Angband my current character (no save reloads) is the highest level I've got so far :eek:

BTW, what's wrong with the following picture? A prize of nothing at all is awarded to the first person to guess how that happens.

1. 8976 Jem the High-Elf Rogue, Level 19
Killed by nobody (yet!) in the town (Max 1)
(User 0, Date TODAY, Gold 8826, Turn 860576).

Pete Mack
February 25, 2009, 18:22
You've been townscumming for FA, and accidentally recalled from dl 1 and reset your recall level. Serves you right, kinda.

PaulBlay
February 25, 2009, 18:31
You've been townscumming for FA, and accidentally recalled from dl 1 and reset your recall level. Serves you right, kinda.

Nope. It was deliberate because I noticed that "Max" was actually "Recall level". No big deal because it's dungeon level 7 where I'm heading back to - I'm working towards a "complete" on uniques killed.

Narvius
February 25, 2009, 20:25
I'm working towards a "complete" on uniques killed.

That's way more fun in Entro (there's a certain very-low-level unique...) ^.^

Nolendil
February 25, 2009, 23:46
Good luck with your Rogue, Paul.
I personaly stick to Dwarf Priests as I believe they are the easiest to win with (I hope I'm not wrong about that :D ).
I almost never play rogues as I don't like relying on missile weapons. I often forget to use mine when I'm short on mana although it deals 4-5 times as much damage as my melee attacks :rolleyes:

Although I'm still far from getting there, I'm a bit afraid about what I read recently about how to kill Morgy.
Does everyone dig until they reach a border of the map to reduce the effects of his summoning abilities?
That's the kind of trick I'm not fond of so I hope it's not mandatory.

That's way more fun in Entro (there's a certain very-low-level unique...) ^.^
Something like Moldoux, the Defenceless Mold, in ToME?

btw, I always aim to kill all uniques. That's probably why I often die early :)

Sean
February 28, 2009, 21:22
Good luck with your Rogue, Paul.
I personaly stick to Dwarf Priests as I believe they are the easiest to win with (I hope I'm not wrong about that :D ).

I've been playing since Moria, Hack & Rogue on my trusty Amiga 500, so some time during the 80s. Started Angband on Mac OS about 5 years back, thanks to pelpel. I agree with the dwarf priest being a good one to go with. I'm yet to win a game, but those little bearded holy buggers seem to have more staying power than most.

myron
March 6, 2009, 16:09
first played moria on the VAX at OU in the winter/spring of the 84/85 school year and have been playing ever since...have had winners in both Moria and various variants of Angband...never beat Vanilla though...I only play sporadically though, so many times I forget what I've got and start a new character...

Arphod
March 7, 2009, 05:14
I started playing Moria 5.0 on VAX/VMS system at Ball State University around 1990, then stopped without having won. Then I picked up an early version of Angband around 1995 (on a personal computer) and have been playing it ever since (Vanilla), upgrading each time there was a new release. So that's about 19 years. Then, last night, I won for the first time. High-elf mage.

I was in such a good mood today at work, and couldn't explain to anybody why.

Grond is so *heavy*!

geoff_tewierik
March 20, 2009, 09:48
One of my brothers played Hack or Nethack on our 486 DX back in the 80's- not sure how they got hold of it but I do remember the keystone cops mentioned earlier.

When I got Uni in the early 90's my group of friends and I started playing Angband 2.4.frog knows. I think I hung with it until 2.6.2, but was greatly distracted by Nightmare MUD at the time.

I have had two cracks at Angband since and am currently running 3.1.0 beta.

Never had a winner, but my current Dwarven Priest is a lvl 18, at 400', who's just knocked off Wormtongue and picked up 'Cambeleg'. I'm a search every corner of the map player and only go down when I've not got a full inventory. So that makes me a slow and steady player, suits the Dwarven nature I suppose ;)

Tonypantz
May 4, 2009, 04:52
Haha......I've been playing maybe two years, and I've wn Kamband..and only because I scummed the town's "Monster room" for artifacts.

I've only been to around Dlvl 50 in Angband >.<

Malice
May 9, 2009, 15:42
Back in late 1999, I was reading a Roger Zelazny book and while searching for some information on him I came across ZAngband and from there, Angband.

As a result, I've been playing on and off (mostly off) for nearly 10 years without even coming close to winning :). I occasionally get characters to level 30+ and once I got a warrior to level 50 but that's about it

Cauldron
May 23, 2009, 19:43
I discovered Moria in '89 my freshman year in college. Umoria followed soon after. In the spring of 1990, I dropped out of college :( stupid Moria. I eventually got reconnected to the internet, and found Angband soon after.

No legitimate winners yet. So 20 years, with pauses.

buzzkill
June 16, 2009, 04:11
Finally got my first winner.

Steamband Automaton/Adventurer. (http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=8958)

Not as hard as I thought it would be!

Nolendil
June 16, 2009, 10:42
Congrats! :)

unsmokiness
November 2, 2009, 13:21
the last monsters are the ruin!

Deranged Archivist
November 2, 2009, 18:13
Only roguelike I ever finished was Nethack, and only by save scumming, so it hardly counts. I've lost the taste for Nethack's silliness since then.

Other than that, I've been trying and failing to win since Moria. (I think it was Frog-know, in about 1990, so almost 20 years)

I have also failed to win Crawl (which I love) ADOM (which I sometimes love) TOME (which was fun but messy) Slashem (nethack variant) Zangband, Oangband, Sangband, CthAngband, FAngband, Furyband (messiest of all, that one. I feel guilty whenever I make a Jedi, but I can't help myself) Steamband (which rocks hard) and honestly, probably 40 or more different variants. I love to try out new variants, but seldom make it far. The eclectic nature of the list I've tried is symptomatic of why I don't win- I tend to try lots of new things rather than master the old ones. Well, at least I'm enjoying myself.

Hindered
December 17, 2009, 18:44
I'm quite new to angband, it's been 18 months playing without winning. I'm happy to see that I'm a "normal" player.

SaThaRiel
December 17, 2009, 18:50
Playing 10-15 years now, never won and i fear i never will. Also this forum and other sources offer great tips. And i am starting to follow them - dungeon diving, dont take all crap with you, read to identify and prepare yourself. I may be able to do it with all this hints but the lack of alertness will be always my biggest foe.

konijn_
December 17, 2009, 22:12
I actually read that as
"How long have you been playing without whining" ;)

That would be about 4 years ;]

T.

cofresi
December 17, 2009, 23:04
Over 13 years, and finally won Vanilla this week :)

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=9668

HailEris
December 15, 2010, 09:00
The game I usually promote at this point is Elona. It's translated from Japanese and has that mix of cute, sexy and ewww going on in the background that the Japanese can do so well. :p
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html




I Love Elona, its a nice blend of roguelike and "regular?" rpgs ( I wish Noa would re-surface)

I've been playing roguelikes hardcore for like 3-4 months and thought I was a failure for never getting anywhere in most of them, its nice to hear that you can go for years without winning makes me feel a bit better.