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pampl December 29, 2010 02:37

RePosBand: play as a monster in Angbad 3.2
 
For the past few weeks I've been noisily working on porting the monster races of Pos into the latest version of V so I could enjoy playing as a monster while enjoying the latest features and conveniences of V. The basic gameplay is essentially working now, though the UI is still a little quirky. I'm not sure where I should go from here in development - there's still plenty of features left to add, so I figured I'd ask the good people of oook what they want to see.

If you're not familiar with Pos, the basic idea (putting aside possessors for a moment) is that you start as a wimpy member of some monster race, complete with its (wimpy) powers and unusual equipment slots, and by gaining levels you change into tougher members of that species. For example, you can start as a 2-headed hydra, and at level 8 you grow a third head and get the power to cast fear. Later on you get the power to cast stinking clouds, and then to breath fire and even plasma, just like tougher hydrae can. As you gain heads you also gain more slots to equip helmets and (in RePos) amulets. If you make it to level 45, you'll be sitting pretty with 11 helmet and 11 amulet slots!

That's what I've got working so far. There are other features too, and that's what I want your help with. Is this basic gameplay enough, and I should focus on ironing out the UI bugs and adding monster races? Do you want to see the random quests and artifact reforging of the Adventurer's Guild added? Do you want King monsters added? The ability to summon friendly monsters (a prerequisite for implementing some races)? What say you, banders?

Here's the game, beta version 0.5.2:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/g858d8...nd%200.5.2.zip

edit: Ugh, and of course it wouldn't be a release without at least one completely untested, crash-inducing feature being included. Upload should be fixed now.

edit: LATEST VERSION:
https://github.com/downloads/simongr...nd%200.6.5.rar

OSX compile:
https://github.com/downloads/NickMcC...-3.2.0-osx.dmg

pampl December 29, 2010 03:23

Important notes for people playing the game:
Press the "U" key to use your race's powers, if it has any.
It doesn't matter what class you initially select if you're playing a monster, you'll always be assigned the monster class.
Baby red dragons evolve up the red dragon line every ten levels. At level twenty you can become a chaos drake instead of a mature red dragon if you want. If so, you'll have to reach level 40 before becoming a GWoC.
Hydrae evolve every 7-8 levels. Once you reach 9 heads, the EQ display will start misleading you. To remove EQ that comes after the piece labelled (w), press (x), (y), (z), ({), (|), or (}). The labels are bugged, ignore them.
Generally, if you want to swap one item out for another and you have more than one slot of that type (e.g. ring slots) it's better to manually take off one then wield the other. The prompt for switching items sometimes refuses to respond correctly.
Hydra are pretty strong in melee but have no versatility. They're kind of a unique challenge, like playing a warrior.
Red dragons get gobs of HP and cheap attack spells but also lack versatility and their attacks will be resisted later on.
Chaos dragon have expensive and weak spells but they're hardly resisted, and they get a melee attack that confuses. They have the most versatile powers though they still have to carry around plenty of rods.

buzzkill December 29, 2010 14:05

More races, definately... and classes. For example, dragon should be a race and red (blue,green,white) should be the classes.

The (V) UI seems fine though I didn't play for more than a few minutes. here's what jumped out at me.

My baby red dragon started with a wielded ring of open wounds, a wielded torch, and 3 scrolls of curse weapon. Shouldn't dragons have dark-vision or something instead of a torch slot. What's with the other stuff? Are those just the mandatory cursed items that drop when I die. He also had 6 limbs in addition to his 5 other slots. He also got 3 attacks (claw,claw,bite). Is that normal for a baby dragon?

Might want to add a strictly limited number of utility spells in addition to his breath ability (don't go crazy with it). Detect treasure seems appropriate for a dragon at some point in his career.

Unlitited home slots for dragons... they are treasure hoarders.

... and rename the title screen.

pampl December 29, 2010 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzkill (Post 45750)
More races, definately... and classes. For example, dragon should be a race and red (blue,green,white) should be the classes.

I have eventual plans to use the class slot for possessors and other variations on being a monster. I could make a colorless drake race that turns into a baby * dragon at level 5, though.
Quote:

My baby red dragon started with a wielded ring of open wounds, a wielded torch, and 3 scrolls of curse weapon. Shouldn't dragons have dark-vision or something instead of a torch slot. What's with the other stuff? Are those just the mandatory cursed items that drop when I die. He also had 6 limbs in addition to his 5 other slots. He also got 3 attacks (claw,claw,bite). Is that normal for a baby dragon?
Yeah, starting EQ was a bit messed up, I just fixed that. Now they start with a ring of damage and 2-3 scrolls of *Destruction*, like in Pos.
I don't remember if dragons have infravision or darkvision.. Smaug wasn't able to see Bilbo, but Bilbo could maybe have been invisible to all kinds of vision except Sauron's. I don't want to take the light slot away from them without good cause though; it's an important source of activatable powers
The 6 limb slots are for rings (four feet and two wingtips), maybe I should rename them from "on limb:" to "ring:" to be clearer.
Attack data is pulled straight from the monster file. I want the character sheet to display it eventually.
Quote:

Might want to add a strictly limited number of utility spells in addition to his breath ability (don't go crazy with it). Detect treasure seems appropriate for a dragon at some point in his career.

Unlitited home slots for dragons... they are treasure hoarders.

... and rename the title screen.
Red dragons do get word of destruction and blink after a few evolutions. I really like the idea of giving dragons the detect treasure spell.
One design goal is to make slow play less unattractive compared to diving, so that's another reason I ought to add unlimited home slots. It's now on the short list of things to do before 0.5.3.
I know I should change the title screen but I'm not really interested in doing ASCII art. Do you know anyone who's good at that sort of thing I could PM for help?
Above all, thanks for the feedback!

buzzkill December 29, 2010 22:13

I'm sure there's a freeware program that can make ASCII graphics, I'll give a look for something and get back to you.
The 2nd screen on the character sheet is messed up, and shouldn't red dragons have innate rFire.

jevansau December 29, 2010 22:16

Very glad to see you working on this. Pos was one of my favorite variants.
I'd say more races and polish in the UI should be the first priority, and then the Adventurers guild - artifact reforging is such a needed thing for some of the races.
Summoning, and more importantly summoned creature AI would be nice, but I think would be very hard to get right. The companion leveling in Pos was fun, but tended to become very unbalanced.

I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Regards,
Jonathan

juggle5 December 29, 2010 22:37

I also want to offer my encouragement on this--Posband is probably my favorite variant as well.

Since you claim that adding more races is an easier task, I would focus on this, followed by ironing out gameplay bugs and polishing the UI so everything is playable.

Then work on summoning, since this is lots of fun, and required for some races to play effectively. I *wouldn't* worry too much about the balance of the game--the unbalance of the original Posband was part of the fun. Plus, it's easier to tweak game balance after all the races and features are in place.

Keep up the good work!

buzzkill December 30, 2010 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzkill (Post 45780)
I'm sure there's a freeware program that can make ASCII graphics

More fonts than you can shake a stick at..

Code:

______        ______                _
| ___ \        | ___ \              | |
| |_/ /___  ___| |_/ / __ _ _ __  __| |
|  __// _ \/ __| ___ \/ _` | '_ \ / _` |
| |  | (_) \__ \ |_/ / (_| | | | | (_| |
\_|  \___/|___|____/ \__,_|_| |_|\__,_|

Code:

  _ (`-.                .-')  .-. .-')    ('-.        .-') _  _ .-') _ 
  ( (oo  )              ( oo ).\  ( oo )  ( oo ).-.    ( oo ) )( (  oo) ) 
 _.`    \ .-'),-----. (_)---\_);-----.\  / . --. /,--./ ,--,'  \    .'_ 
(__...--''( oo'  .-.  '/    _ | | .-.  |  | \-.  \ |  \ |  |\  ,`'--..._)
 |  /  | |/  |  | |  |\  :` `. | '-' /_).-'-'  |  ||    \|  | ) |  |  \  '
 |  |_.' |\_) |  |\|  | '..`''.)| .-. `.  \| |_.'  ||  .    |/  |  |  ' |
 |  .___.'  \ |  | |  |.-._)  \| |  \  |  |  .-.  ||  |\    |  |  |  / :
 |  |        `'  '-'  '\      /| '--'  /  |  | |  ||  | \  |  |  '--'  /
 `--'          `-----'  `-----' `------'  `--' `--'`--'  `--'  `-------'


pampl December 30, 2010 04:08

Thanks for the words of encouragement everyone!
Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzkill (Post 45780)
The 2nd screen on the character sheet is messed up, and shouldn't red dragons have innate rFire.

They do, which becomes ImmFire at level 30, it just doesn't show up because of how much I've broken that screen. That's one of those UI issues I need to fix ASAP

Quote:

Originally Posted by jevansau (Post 45781)
then the Adventurers guild - artifact reforging is such a needed thing for some of the races.

This is what I was worried about.. if high level play would be impossible for some races because of lack of reforging. OTOH, I haven't added all the (really tough) NPP monsters so it might not be so bad. I think I'm going to change the Acquirement code so it only grants usable equipment to make things a little nicer for monsters, at any rate.
Quote:

Originally Posted by juggle5 (Post 45785)
I *wouldn't* worry too much about the balance of the game--the unbalance of the original Posband was part of the fun. Plus, it's easier to tweak game balance after all the races and features are in place.

This is my philosophy as well.

Thanks to Buzzkill, I now have a new title screen, and today I added the Troll, Basilisk, and Balrog lines, as well as creating an entirely new MHD line. I still need to finish fixing the 'C'haracter screen, expanding the home, and maybe fixing those last few slots for 9- and 11-headed hydra or fixing the "replace which X?" prompt and make it appear for any EQ with multiple slots.

If you have any specific race requests before 0.5.3 is released (that don't require summoning or using multiple weapons at once) then be sure to make them! The way I've done races means new starting races break savefile compatibility, so I'd like to do new races in bursts rather than a steady stream of them.

Nick December 30, 2010 04:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 45802)
If you have any specific race requests before 0.5.3 is released (that don't require summoning or using multiple weapons at once) then be sure to make them!

Spiders, please! Araneas did have summoning in the original Pos, but you could include it later when you've done it.

Philip December 30, 2010 08:24

How do I use a breath weapon with the roguelike keyset? U makes me go diagonally.
EDIT: How do I sell, drop and such from my quiver as a Hydra?

pampl December 30, 2010 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip (Post 45818)
How do I use a breath weapon with the roguelike keyset? U makes me go diagonally.
EDIT: How do I sell, drop and such from my quiver as a Hydra?

Oi, two UI problems I hadn't even thought of. I'll get those solved for 0.5.3.. I don't know of any workaround for in the meantime though, sorry :(

pampl December 30, 2010 23:47

OK, Nick told me how to solve the Rogue keyset problem.. if you don't feel like waiting for 0.5.3 (out in time for New Year's hangovers, hopefully) then you can go into reposband/lib/pref/pref.prf and add the line:
Code:

A:U
C:1:p

..or whatever you want in place of 'p'. Not sure if location matters but I put it amidst the other commands like that, about 2/3rds through the file.

Nick: do you like spiders because you like being a capital S with lots of boot slots and poison and paralyzing attacks, or because you like cursing and web spinning? I can add spiders with the former easily but the latter will have to wait a little while. Also, I want to give spiders their full 4 boot pairs, which should just translate into stealth and speed coming cheap to spiders - very in-flavor! I also would ideally like for them to have their full 8 ring slots but that seems like it could be incredibly OP and make the end game a very boring cakewalk (much more so than typical). Maybe I'll give them 2 ring slots, on the grounds that each leg is equivalent to a finger and you get one ring/4 fingers.

The flags display looks normal now but it still won't show innate flags for some reason :confused:

Nick December 31, 2010 00:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 45908)
Nick: do you like spiders because you like being a capital S with lots of boot slots and poison and paralyzing attacks, or because you like cursing and web spinning? I can add spiders with the former easily but the latter will have to wait a little while.

The former, but also the webs - in the original Pos they were essential for slowing stuff down.

Quote:

Also, I want to give spiders their full 4 boot pairs, which should just translate into stealth and speed coming cheap to spiders - very in-flavor! I also would ideally like for them to have their full 8 ring slots but that seems like it could be incredibly OP and make the end game a very boring cakewalk (much more so than typical). Maybe I'll give them 2 ring slots, on the grounds that each leg is equivalent to a finger and you get one ring/4 fingers.
Pos had 4 rings and two pairs of boots - so like 4 arms and 4 legs - but it's up to you.

Philip December 31, 2010 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 45908)
OK, Nick told me how to solve the Rogue keyset problem.. if you don't feel like waiting for 0.5.3 (out in time for New Year's hangovers, hopefully) then you can go into reposband/lib/pref/pref.prf and add the line:
Code:

A:U
C:1:p

..or whatever you want in place of 'p'. Not sure if location matters but I put it amidst the other commands like that, about 2/3rds through the file.

The flags display looks normal now but it still won't show innate flags for some reason :confused:

I found a workaround. Pressing \ lets me choose from the standard keyset. On the quiver, would it work to allow quivers only for creatures with a shooter slot? As far as I know, the monsters with really wierd inventory can't shoot. Am playing a quylthulg in the original and having a blast. Can't wait for summoning.

thapper December 31, 2010 10:56

I voted for summoning, mostly because I love playing Q's in the old Posband. I still think you should do the fast things first (and it does have most votes). And I also agree with jevansau, artefact reforging is very helpful for some of the monster races, at least it gives you some comfort when you find Ringil but you can't use weapons...

pampl December 31, 2010 20:04

OK, RePosBand 0.5.3 is up at the usual place. The character screen works MUCH better than it did before. It's not perfect but V will probably be changing the char screen in the next few months so I don't want to go nuts with my own changes. There are playable trolls, basilisks, balrogs, multi hued dragons, and great wyrms of balance (the GWoB is a rather pitiful evolution past the GWoC, I haven't done shard and sound yet breath). ATTR_MULTI and ATTR_FLICKER work now, so if you're playing a chaos drake or GWoC or GWoB you get to change colors. Great hell wyrms and greater basilisks do too to a lesser degree. Dragons can smell treasure now.

For v0.5.4 I have to do: infinite home space (sorry Buzzkill, I worked on it but it looks trickier than I expected), make char dumps work right, make the 'repeat command' command work for race powers, implement the SUPER_REGEN (troll and hydra) and IMM_POIS (hydra) flags, give MHD and GWoB more powers, and do race requests. So far I just have spiders for Nick and crystal drakes/GCD/law drakes for me, y'all need to get your requests in. Also I should probably copy over Pos's help files and fix the funkiness that comes with having more than 20 eq slots. After .5.4 I'll probably start poking around with summoning as Qs seem popular. Don't count on seeing summoning before Feb though.

In other news, my ancient red dragon just found a White DSM of speed +6. Woo hoo!

edit: I forgot to mention, the NO INNATE flag isn't implemented yet either, so if you fight want to be cheesy you can probably do sick damage fighting 'bare-handed' as a balrog.

pampl December 31, 2010 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by thapper (Post 45948)
And I also agree with jevansau, artefact reforging is very helpful for some of the monster races, at least it gives you some comfort when you find Ringil but you can't use weapons...

It's funny you should write that as I just picked Ringil up off the floor on lvl 48. Stupid no-hands-having dragons...

Adley January 1, 2011 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 45965)
So far I just have spiders for Nick and crystal drakes/GCD/law drakes for me, y'all need to get your requests in.

Dread (or any kind of ghost), liches, hounds, angels?

pampl January 2, 2011 03:54

Until now adding new stuff to Angband has been easier than anticipated. Adding these new flags, though, has caused unexpected headaches. I'm not going to have another release ready before next weekend.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adley (Post 45987)
Dread (or any kind of ghost), liches, hounds, angels?

Hounds should be really easy*, as long as you don't mind that they aren't able to summon pack mates. Same with angels and liches. Ghosts could be tricky, I'm not sure how much the game will like an immaterial PC, but that will also make them interesting. Good requests!

*easy to code, that is. Designing an evolutionary flow chart for all 5 billion hound varieties could take a while. It'll be mostly re-usable for vortices though!

buzzkill January 2, 2011 04:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 46039)
Ghosts could be tricky, I'm not sure how much the game will like an immaterial PC, but that will also make them interesting. Good requests!

I thought that SteamBand handled passwall player characters well. In short, depending on skill, there was a % chance of the player taking HP (or maybe SP) damage when moving through solid wall. In effect, it makes passing through solid rock a risk, a trade-off, rather than something that is done casually, at least at low levels.

Of course, being able to walk through walls while your enemies cannot is still a huge advantage which typically causes one to get in over his head. I found that death most often came because all monsters have ESP, which leads to ghostly PCs getting surrounded/trapped in the walls, afraid to poke their nose out. Since resting while embedded in rock is likely to be a losing proposition, one should seek to avoid such situations. This is the sort of balance I'd look for, unless you've got a better idea.

Adley January 2, 2011 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzkill (Post 46042)
Since resting while embedded in rock is likely to be a losing proposition, one should seek to avoid such situations.

Tunnel a square of granite once inside. Perfect resting place.

buzzkill January 2, 2011 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adley (Post 46050)
Tunnel a square of granite once inside. Perfect resting place.

You have to come out sooner or later :). An truly evil benovelent DM would spawn umber hulks nearby if it detected a player resting in such a place. Oh my, the player is trapped and will surely starve to death. I will free him.

Adley January 2, 2011 19:15

Add a mac version!!!!

Psi January 2, 2011 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adley (Post 46050)
Tunnel a square of granite once inside. Perfect resting place.

I appreciate you may be able to cast StM but the image of one trying to swing a pick* when already embedded in rock is somewhat comical...




*and that's not to mention how ghosts carry stuff through walls in the first place.

Djabanete January 2, 2011 22:30

Most important monsters to implement:

Dragons/Hydras
Spiders (webs were amazingly fun in Pos)
Xorns/Umber Hulks that can move through walls

pampl January 3, 2011 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzkill (Post 46042)
I thought that SteamBand handled passwall player characters well. In short, depending on skill, there was a % chance of the player taking HP (or maybe SP) damage when moving through solid wall. In effect, it makes passing through solid rock a risk, a trade-off, rather than something that is done casually, at least at low levels.

That's how Z handles it as well, except there's no skill - 100% of the time you take a small amount of nonlethal damage. That's probably what I'll do too.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adley (Post 46070)
Add a mac version!!!!

I would if I could.. I'll be sure to include the source in 5.4 (I wish I had for 5.3) so that someone with a Mac can compile a Mac version. I think compiling it should be pretty easy- hopefully it's just a matter of going to the source directory and entering "make -f makefile.osx" -but if not then you could try bugging forum goers with Macs to do it. I think d_m has one, for example.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Djabanete (Post 46084)
Most important monsters to implement:

Dragons/Hydras
Spiders (webs were amazingly fun in Pos)
Xorns/Umber Hulks that can move through walls

Ooh, I like the idea of playing an X. No need for a ring of delving when you have the KILL_WALL flag!

edit: Also, in case any Angband gurus are reading this, I could use some help dealing with an extremely annoying crash-on-save bug. The code is on github.com/simongre/RePosBand
edit2: OK, the problem is that increasing home space to 128 slots causes a low level saving routine (savers[i].save) to freak out. That's way above my pay grade, so hoarding is going to have to wait a while.

Sirridan January 3, 2011 04:07

Someone created unlimited home already I believe for 3.2ish, Fizzix maybe? It was iVanilla IIRC.

As for hounds/vortex evolution, here's an idea:

Start with Water/Fire/Cold/Elec hound...
At level 15 morph into a Multi hued hound (resist basic 4 + poison, and a breath for each)
Each breath gives you resist to it
20 - Light / Dark breath
25 - Shards breath
30 - Sound
35 - Force
40 - Plasma
42 - Gravity
44 - Nether
46 - Time
50 - Aether form (resist all)

emulord January 3, 2011 04:20

Remember, Level 1-5 needs to be Clear Hound

Sirridan January 3, 2011 05:27

Right, which then you become a water/fire/cold/elec hound at 6.

Adley January 3, 2011 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord (Post 46107)
Remember, Level 1-5 needs to be Clear Hound

So we need to be invisible. Are there any See invisible tags on monsters?

EpicMan January 3, 2011 19:37

TOME 1/2 had player invisibility, and implemented it by making monsters have a chance to figure out where you are each turn, intelligent monsters being more likely to detect you and stupid monsters less likely. If the monster could not detect you, shooting/casting actions would fail, and if the monster moved it would do so in a random direction.

Derakon January 3, 2011 19:45

Which IMO was a pretty annoying way to handle it. Either the monster knew exactly where you were and would hit you perfectly with any ranged attack, or they had no idea whatsoever where you were. The player in contrast practically never tries to use bolt attacks unless they're in a corridor fighting a material invisible enemy, and instead tends to bomb the area with ball spells in the hopes of getting lucky.

In other words, properly-handled player invisibility isn't all that easy to do, AI-wise.

pampl January 4, 2011 01:04

Pos had player invisibility (and the ability to blind monsters!) which puts it on my to-do list, but it's not a top priority.. ATM player clear hounds are just really, really stealthy. I could also give them a fat bonus to AC, but I don't want to spend too much work beyond that on a form that people will only stay in for 10 minutes or so.

Now that I write that I remembered that Dreads and maybe some other Gs are invisible as well, so I should probably move it higher up the list. First I want to do all the breath weapons (for dragons and hounds) then webbing, though. Also now that I found out my flags weren't causing problems, I'm going to try to do them again - immunity to poison for hydras and maybe spiders, super regen for hydras and trolls, pass_wall for Xs and ghosts

pampl January 5, 2011 22:23

I've added the requested races.. got 99 races now, 23 starting races (that's counting the ten original demihuman races). Now I'm working on breath weapons and I need to figure out how much damage different elements should do. I'm going to roughly follow the numbers from monsters' damage caps:
4 basic elements - 6x player level damage
poison - 4x player level
nether, sound, chaos, disen, shards - 3.5x player lvl
light, dark, nexus - 3x player lvl
time, inertia, gravity, plasma, force, mana - 2.5x player levl

I'm thinking about making nether stronger, though, because it's so commonly resisted and the side effects don't work on monsters, and making sound weaker because stunning is so powerful. Do the side effects of inertia and gravity work on monsters? Should mana be made stronger because it blows up all loot? Maybe I should make a 5x player level category and spread the elements out more.

edit: also, because king monsters got the second most votes, and because I looked at how they work and it looks simple to implement, I'm gonna add them next. They'll be done in the version after next, knock on wood.

edit2: breathing bolts will use the same rankings as above and just multiply the damage by 2/3 (and the cost by 1/3..)

Derakon January 5, 2011 23:08

From a quick reading of the source, I don't think gravity or inertia will slow down monsters (compare ToME 2, where they did, and there was no cap on how much slower they got; chained inertia attacks could put even the fastest monster at the equivalent of -40 speed). They're also only resisted by the monsters that breathe them. Gravity does teleport monsters though.

Arjen January 6, 2011 15:55

Thanks for pointing out the fact that posband is back online! So i went to search for it, but i could only find the .5.2 version and not the 5.4. I could only find a page with the source? on it. At least i think it was the source...

pampl January 6, 2011 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derakon (Post 46380)
From a quick reading of the source, I don't think gravity or inertia will slow down monsters (compare ToME 2, where they did, and there was no cap on how much slower they got; chained inertia attacks could put even the fastest monster at the equivalent of -40 speed). They're also only resisted by the monsters that breathe them. Gravity does teleport monsters though.

Ah, OK, then they don't need to be made weaker to compensate. I'm not sure whether gravity's phase door or nexus's pd/tele should be counted as positive or negative side effects - they make it take longer but generally safer to kill something. Here's my revised table:
Commonly resisted, damage loot, no side effects - 4 base elements - 6x plvl damage
Commonly resisted, don't damage loot, no side effects - poison, nether, dark(?) - 5x plvl
Uncommonly resisted, annoying side effects - chaos, nexus - 4x plvl
Uncommonly resisted, no side effects, damage loot - mana, shards, plasma(?) - 3.5x plvl
Uncommonly resisted, no side effects, no loot damage - dark(?), light, time, inertia - 3x plvl
Uncommonly resisted, powerful side effects, damage loot - sound, force, gravity, plasma (?) - 2.5x plvl
I'm assuming plasma, force and gravity stun monsters.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46440)
Thanks for pointing out the fact that posband is back online! So i went to search for it, but i could only find the .5.2 version and not the 5.4. I could only find a page with the source? on it. At least i think it was the source...

I can't quite claim that Pos is back online.. there are still big features in Pos that aren't in RePos, though that'll change over the course of January. ATM it's more of a companion to Pos, for when you can't live without all the niceties of the latest versions of Angband and are playing one of the races Repos supports.

Here's .5.3. 0.5.4 is set to come out tomorrow, and will include plenty of new races as well as some new minor features like ?Acq being changed so it won't drop EQ you can't wear.

pampl January 7, 2011 22:36

Here's 0.5.4:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ctd8s2...nd%200.5.4.zip

New feature: ?Acquirement and ?*Acquirement* won't drop equipment that your species can't use. They can still drop useless spellbooks, of course.

New races:

Crystal drakes: these guys breath shards and at level 25 can choose between becoming law drakes or great crystal drakes. The latter are initially stronger but law drakes eventually become great wyrms of law then great wyrms of balance and so have an easier end game.

Lost souls: all ghosts have the ability to pass through walls and eventually gain the ability to scare monsters, to blink and teleport, and to shoot nether bolts. They have normal slots and evolve every 5 levels, becoming more and more in-tune with the Negative Energy Plane until they turn into Dreads and eventually Dreadlords. They start out better at spell casting but become ferocious melee fighters.

Liches: you all know these guys. Their most annoying abilities -summoning, stat and charge draining - sadly don't work for player liches, but players do get a nice variety of utility spells with them. They basically play like spellcasters who start with decent melee ability and get no detection. When they evolve into their ultimate form (at level 45) they become completely incorporeal and gain the ability to travel through walls like a ghost.

Zephyr hounds: I ended up doing tiered progression with hounds. Every seven levels you select a new form from a list of 2-5, gaining all the resistances from the tier you were previously in. In the last tier you choose between access to all the breath weapons (the Aether hound) or being able to walk through walls (the Ethereal hound.. don't blame me for the names). All hounds can cheaply detect monsters and breath their own element as a bolt or a ball. A few hounds can breath associated elements - fire hounds can breath light, earth hounds can breath acid - at a higher cost. I'm not 100% attached to the way I've implemented these guys, so be free with feedback.

Angels: these work the same way the Ainur did in Pos but without the terrain modifying spells. Super munchkin-y priest warriors, in RePos their innate melee is a little less insane and their king monster will eventually be Gabriel, not Sauron.

Spiders: A WIP. They can't spit webs yet, but they do have 8 legs each of which can wear a shoe and a ring. They also have very, very few HP and some innate speed. At level 25 they choose between becoming phase spiders or araneas.

Umber Hulks: Also a WIP. They can wear normal equipment (except their claws are too big for gloves), pass through walls, and tunnel extremely quickly. Umber hulks lose their innate confusion gaze when they evolve, but they gain 2 extra arms which means two extra shields (eventually it will mean one extra shield and one extra weapon)

TODO:
*still have to fix the last few slots of a high-level hydra's EQ screen
*need to add code to allow "repeat command" to be used with racial powers
*need to change item wielding so it doesn't unnecessarily prompt you to select a slot when there's only one valid slot.. the code for this is already in there, it just doesn't work for some reason
*need to add more racial flags.. immunity to poison and super regeneration especially

Sirridan January 7, 2011 23:31

BUG: Hitting n to repeat a monster power does NOT drain mana. Playing hound, became a dark hound, and the darkness bolt/beam can be spammed forever hitting n.

Sides that, it's great, awesome job!

EDIT: What's the github again so I can keep current?

pampl January 8, 2011 01:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirridan (Post 46529)
BUG: Hitting n to repeat a monster power does NOT drain mana. Playing hound, became a dark hound, and the darkness bolt/beam can be spammed forever hitting n.

Sides that, it's great, awesome job!

EDIT: What's the github again so I can keep current?

Thanks :) That's a weird bug with the repeat command key - I can't get it to repeat monster powers at all. Hopefully fixing my problem will also fix them not costing anything.

Github's at https://github.com/simongre/RePosBand.

Sirridan January 8, 2011 02:18

Actually, I was wrong. using N for monster powers just makes you move... I'll investigate source for that.

So far awesome fun. Hounds are a blast, Angels too, but a bit hard at first. Can you change cure serious wounds to heal a % of hp like the spells / potions?

EDIT: Lost souls are fun, but a bit overpowered in the sense that you can melee anything while you are in a wall, and they cannot attack back. The other way around is the opposite, the player can melee attack any monster in a wall, if they are adjacent to the player.

The code about it is in melee2.c in the monster directory, still not 100% on how to fix it though.

Sirridan January 8, 2011 04:04

Here's a fix to this issue of being untouchable in walls adjacent to open floor:

in src/monster/melee2.c, function process_monster

Code:


                /* Floor is open? */
                if (cave_floor_bold(ny, nx) || (ny == p_ptr->py && nx == p_ptr->px))
                {
                        /* Hack! if ny == py and nx == px then try to "move" */
                        /* This allows monsters to attack passwall players */
                        /* Go ahead and move */
                        do_move = TRUE;
                }

This tells the monster to try to move into the wall if the player is there, which will cause the monster to attack the player. This could cause a problem maybe, if a non-attacking monster that CAN move tries, then it may occupy the same square as the player?

But its a quick hack and it works. So yay :)

pampl January 8, 2011 04:50

Awesome! I added that to a fix that makes CLW et al. work and display the same as they do in other places, and a hack fix for a bug that lets stuff be equipped in any slot, and uploaded it as version .5.4.1.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/9j2qaw...%200.5.4.1.zip

Oh, and an acquirement change is fixed now: it creates an item based on the max depth you've reached, and displays the item as being created on your current floor, instead of vice versa.

Sirridan January 8, 2011 05:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 46547)
Awesome! I added that to a fix that makes CLW et al. work and display the same as they do in other places, and a hack fix for a bug that lets stuff be equipped in any slot, and uploaded it as version .5.4.1.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/9j2qaw...%200.5.4.1.zip

Oh, and an acquirement change is fixed now: it creates an item based on the max depth you've reached, and displays the item as being created on your current floor, instead of vice versa.

Neat, the wall change sadly makes lost souls *much* harder in the early game, thank goodness for !oil :)

Sirridan January 8, 2011 23:21

Screwing around with wizard mode before I upgrade to fix the bug for equipment...

BTW Sauron and Morgy went down crazy fast, as did others. Fighting within walls is so awesome :D

Code:

  [Reposband 0.5.4 Character Dump]

 Name  Dreadful Wizard                          Self  RB  CB  EB  Best
 Sex    Female                            STR! 18/100  +6  +0 +14318/***
 Race  Dreadlord                        INT! 18/100  +3  +0 +13218/***
 Class  Monster                          WIS! 18/100  +1  +0 +13418/***
 Title  ***WINNER***                      DEX! 18/100  +6  +0 +13818/***
 HP    861/861                          CON! 18/100  +6  +0 +13518/***
 SP    409/409                          CHR! 18/100  -7  +0 +13218/***

 Level              50  Armor  [103,+145]    Saving Throw        100%
 Cur Exp      999999998  Fight  (+69,+71)    Stealth            Good
 Max Exp      999999998  Melee  (+74,+96)    Fighting      Legendary
 Adv Exp      ********  Shoot  (+87,+18)    Shooting      Legendary
 MaxDepth  5000' (L100)  Blows    5.7/turn    Disarming          100%
 Game Turns        7711  Shots      1/turn    Magic Device          81
 Standard Turns    2611  Infra    1270 ft    Perception      1 in 23
 Resting Turns      327  Speed          28    Searching            39%
 Gold          1001419  Burden  287.7 lbs






rAcid:.?..*..+?.++.                  Nexus:.?.....+?...+
rElec:.?..*..+?.+..                  Nethr:+?..+..+?....
rFire:.?*+*+.+?.+..                  Chaos:.?+...++?....
rCold:+?..*..+?.+..                  Disen:.?+.+..+?....
rPois:+?..++.+?+...                  S.Dig:+?......?....
rLite:.?.....+?....                  Feath:.?......?....
rDark:.?+.+..+?....                  pFear:.?...+.+?++..
Sound:.?.....+?....                  pBlnd:.?....++?+...
Shard:.?.....+?....                  pConf:.?.....+?....

Light:........+.+..                  Tunn.:..+..........
Regen:....+..+.....                  Speed:...+++......+
  ESP:.+..+.+.+.+..                  Blows:.........+...
Invis:++..+.+.+.+..                  Shots:.............
FrAct:.?......?..+.                  Might:.............
HLife:.?.....+?....                  ImpHP:.............
Stea.:.............                  ImpSP:.?......?....
Sear.:......+......                    Fear:.............
Infra:......+.+....                  Aggrv:.?+.+.+.?+...


  [Character Equipment]

a) The Mighty Hammer 'Grond' (9d9) (+5,+25) [+10] {special}
    Dropped by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness at 5000 feet (level 100).
   
    You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
    Slays evil creatures.
    *Slays* undead.
    Grants telepathy.  Grants the ability to see invisible things. 
   
    Combat info:
    5.7 blows/round.
    This weapon may benefit from one or more off-weapon brands or
    slays.
    Average damage/round: 1531.5 vs. evil creatures, 1967 vs.
    creatures not resistant to fire, 2837.9 vs. undead, and 1096.1 vs.
    others.
    Sometimes creates earthquakes on impact.
   
b) The Mace of Disruption 'Deathwreaker' (7d8) (+18,+18) (+6)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +6 strength, tunneling.
    Slays animals, evil creatures, undead, dragons.
    *Slays* undead.
    Branded with flames.
    Provides immunity to fire.
    Provides resistance to fire, dark, chaos, disenchantment.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    Aggravates creatures nearby. 
   
    Combat info:
    6.0 blows/round.
    Average damage/round: 1062 vs. animals, 1062 vs. evil creatures,
    1307.4 vs. dragons, 1307.4 vs. creatures not resistant to fire,
    1798.8 vs. undead, and 816 vs. others.
   
c) The Light Crossbow 'Cubragol' (x3) (+10,+14) (+10)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +10 speed.
    Branded with flames.
    Provides resistance to fire.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
   
d) The Ring of Power 'The One Ring' (+15,+15) (+5) (charging) {cursed}
    Created by debug option.
   
    Permanently cursed.
    +5 strength, intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution,
    charisma, speed.
    Provides immunity to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
    Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, poison, dark,
    nether, disenchantment.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    Sustains strength, intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution,
    charisma.
    Speeds regeneration.  Grants telepathy.  Grants the ability to see
    invisible things.  Aggravates creatures nearby.  Drains
    experience. 
   
    When aimed, it does bizarre things.
    Takes 773 to 2405 turns to recharge at your current speed.
    Your chance of success is 77.7%
   
e) The Elfstone 'Elessar' (+7,+7) [+10] (+2)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +2 strength, wisdom, charisma, speed.
    Provides resistance to fire, poison.
    Provides protection from fear.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
   
    When activated, it heals 500 hit points.
    Takes 740 turns to recharge at your current speed.
    Your chance of success is 89.3%
   
f) The Palantir of Westernesse (+2)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +2 intelligence, wisdom, infravision.
    +10% to searching.
    Provides resistance to chaos.
    Provides protection from blindness.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    Grants telepathy.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.
    Aggravates creatures nearby.  Drains experience. 
   
    When activated, it maps the entire level and detects nearby
    objects, traps, doors, and stairs.
    Takes 188 to 370 turns to recharge at your current speed.
    Your chance of success is 86.1%
   
    Radius 3 light.
g) The Power Dragon Scale Mail 'Bladeturner' (-8) [80,+35]
    Created by debug option.
   
    Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, poison, light,
    dark, sound, shards, nexus, nether, chaos, disenchantment.
    Provides protection from fear, blindness, confusion.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    Speeds regeneration.  Sustains your life force. 
   
    When activated, it bestows upon you berserk rage, bless, and
    resistance.
    Takes 185 turns to recharge at your current speed.
    Your chance of success is 77.7%
   
h) The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth [0,+0] (+125) {special, cursed}
    Dropped by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness at 5000 feet (level 100).
   
    You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
    Permanently cursed.
    +125 strength, intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution,
    charisma, infravision.
    Grants telepathy.  Grants the ability to see invisible things. 
   
    Radius 1 light.
i) The Leather Shield of the Haradrim (+5,+5) [9,+15] (+1)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +1 strength, constitution, attack speed.
    Provides resistance to poison.
    Provides protection from fear, blindness.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    Sustains strength, constitution.
    Aggravates creatures nearby. 
   
    When activated, it puts you in a berserker rage for d50+50 turns.
    Takes 185 turns to recharge at your current speed.
    Your chance of success is 93.1%
   
j) The Iron Helm of Dor-Lomin [7,+20] (+4)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +4 strength, dexterity, constitution.
    Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
    Provides protection from fear.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    Grants telepathy.  Grants the ability to see invisible things. 
   
    Radius 1 light.
k) The Set of Caestus of Fingolfin (+10,+10) [5,+20] (+4)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +4 dexterity.
    Provides resistance to acid.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
    Prevents paralysis. 
   
    When aimed, it fires a magical arrow with damage 150.
    Takes 114 to 222 turns to recharge at your current speed.
    Your chance of success is 92.5%
   
l) The Pair of Leather Boots of Feanor [2,+20] (+15)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +15 speed.
    Provides resistance to nexus.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
   
    When activated, it hastens you for d20+20 turns.
    Takes 740 turns to recharge at your current speed.
    Your chance of success is 92.5%
   


  [Character Quiver]



  [Character Inventory]

a) a Wand of Drain Life (0 charges)
    An inheritance from your family.
   
   
   
b) a Ring of Speed (+6)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +6 speed.
   
c) The Phial of Galadriel {special}
    Dropped by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness at 5000 feet (level 100).
   
    You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
   
    It can be activated.
   
    Radius 3 light.
d) The Augmented Chain Mail of Caspanion [45] {special}
    Dropped by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness at 5000 feet (level 100).
   
    You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
   
    It can be activated.
   
e) The Cloak 'Holcolleth' [1,+4] (+3)
    Created by debug option.
   
    +3 intelligence, wisdom, stealth, speed.
    Provides resistance to acid.
    Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
   
    When activated, it puts to sleep the monsters around you.
    Takes 203 turns to recharge at your current speed.
    Your chance of success is 96.2%
   
f) The Cloak of Thingol [1] {special}
    Dropped by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness at 5000 feet (level 100).
   
    You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
   
    It can be activated.
   


============================================================
                  CHAR.
|  TURN  | DEPTH |LEVEL| EVENT
============================================================
        1      0'    1  Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
        92      0'    2  Reached level 2
        92      0'    3  Reached level 3
        92      0'    4  Reached level 4
        92      0'    5  Reached level 5
        92      0'    6  Reached level 6
        92      0'    7  Reached level 7
        92      0'    8  Reached level 8
        92      0'    9  Reached level 9
        92      0'  10  Reached level 10
        92      0'  11  Reached level 11
        92      0'  12  Reached level 12
        92      0'  13  Reached level 13
        92      0'  14  Reached level 14
        92      0'  15  Reached level 15
        92      0'  16  Reached level 16
        92      0'  17  Reached level 17
        92      0'  18  Reached level 18
        92      0'  19  Reached level 19
        92      0'  20  Reached level 20
        92      0'  21  Reached level 21
        92      0'  22  Reached level 22
        92      0'  23  Reached level 23
        92      0'  24  Reached level 24
        92      0'  25  Reached level 25
        92      0'  26  Reached level 26
        92      0'  27  Reached level 27
        92      0'  28  Reached level 28
        92      0'  29  Reached level 29
        92      0'  30  Reached level 30
      152      0'  31  Reached level 31
      152      0'  32  Reached level 32
      162      0'  33  Reached level 33
      162      0'  34  Reached level 34
      162      0'  35  Reached level 35
      162      0'  36  Reached level 36
      162      0'  37  Reached level 37
      162      0'  38  Reached level 38
      162      0'  39  Reached level 39
      162      0'  40  Reached level 40
      162      0'  41  Reached level 41
      162      0'  42  Reached level 42
      162      0'  43  Reached level 43
      162      0'  44  Reached level 44
      162      0'  45  Reached level 45
      162      0'  46  Reached level 46
      162      0'  47  Reached level 47
      162      0'  48  Reached level 48
      162      0'  49  Reached level 49
      162      0'  50  Reached level 50
      1620      0'  50  Found The Spear of Orome (LOST)
      1636      0'  50  Found The Ring of Power 'The One Ring'
      1657      0'  50  Found The Palantir of Westernesse
      1678      0'  50  Found The Elfstone 'Elessar'
      1861      0'  50  Found The Cloak 'Holcolleth'
      1866      0'  50  Found The Pair of Leather Boots of Feanor
      1875      0'  50  Found The Set of Caestus of Fingolfin
      1891      0'  50  Found The Mace of Disruption 'Deathwreaker'
      1894      0'  50  Found The Pick of Erebor (LOST)
      1899      0'  50  Found The Light Crossbow 'Cubragol'
      1908      0'  50  Found The Leather Shield of the Haradrim
      1920      0'  50  Found The Power Dragon Scale Mail 'Bladeturner'
      1925      0'  50  Found The Iron Helm of Dor-Lomin
      2524  4900'  50  Killed Huan, Wolfhound of the Valar
      2849  4900'  50  Killed Carcharoth, the Jaws of Thirst
      3046  4950'  50  Killed Ancalagon the Black
      6825  4950'  50  Killed Sauron, the Sorcerer
      6848  4950'  50  Found The Amulet of Ingwe (LOST)
      6979  5000'  50  Killed Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
      7009  5000'  50  Found The Augmented Chain Mail of Caspanion
      7014  5000'  50  Found The Phial of Galadriel
      7019  5000'  50  Found The Cloak of Thingol
      7019  5000'  50  Found The Mighty Hammer 'Grond'
      7022  5000'  50  Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth


  [Options]

Maximise effect of race/class bonuses        : yes (birth_maximize)
Randomise the artifacts (except a very few)  : no  (birth_randarts)
Restrict the use of stairs/recall            : no  (birth_ironman)
Restrict the use of stores/home              : no  (birth_no_stores)
Restrict creation of artifacts              : no  (birth_no_artifacts)
Don't stack objects on the floor            : no  (birth_no_stacking)
Lose artifacts when leaving level            : no  (birth_no_preserve)
Don't generate connected stairs              : no  (birth_no_stairs)
Don't show level feelings                    : no  (birth_no_feelings)
Items always sell for 0 gold                : no  (birth_no_selling)
Monsters chase current location              : yes (birth_ai_sound)
Monsters chase recent locations              : yes (birth_ai_smell)
Monsters act smarter in groups              : yes (birth_ai_packs)
Monsters learn from their mistakes          : no  (birth_ai_learn)
Monsters exploit player's weaknesses        : no  (birth_ai_cheat)
Monsters behave more intelligently (broken)  : no  (birth_ai_smart)


Arjen January 9, 2011 16:27

Trying out the hounds. Died twice... And twice to Broda. :)

Ycombinator January 9, 2011 17:32

When building from github master on Linux, make keeps complaining about missing reposband.h header at the dependency generation stage. There is no such file in the repository, and I can't find anything that can generate it. Has anyone succeeded in compiling RePosBand on *nix?
Descriptions sound awesome, I'm eager to try it :-)

Code:

      Self  RB
STR! 18/100  +6
INT! 18/100  +3
WIS! 18/100  +1
DEX! 18/100  +6
CON! 18/100  +6
CHR! 18/100  -7

Ugh, isn't this too much for an immaterial undead creature? Or race bonuses increase with level-up?

Sirridan January 9, 2011 18:28

Race bonuses increase on level up, the lost soul starts with -5 to str dex and con I think, or something along those lines. Every time you evolve, your race changes, and so do your racial bonuses. It culminates to +6 str/dex/con at 45 or 50 when you hit dreadlord or dreadmaster.

I was able to compile it on Linux, but there were two problems for me:

1. reposband.h, for some reason I couldn't find it? It *was* in the zip but it didn't extract for some reason. I re-extracted it and all was well. I can say for sure it is in the .5.4.1 zip that he posted.

2. It kept looking for reposband.glade when it did the make install, if this happens to you, just create a blank file named reposband.glade in lib/xtra/ and it installs fine after that.

oh yeah, make sure you make clean, to delete the old windows .o files that trip up *nix toolchain.

Adley January 9, 2011 21:09

You have two weapon slots as a dreadbeing?
And i'm going to add : normal to wield slay foo as a foo?

pampl January 9, 2011 21:55

0.6 is out.
I nerded out this weekend and spent the whole time programming. Now there are standard bearers for monster races (used to be called King monsters, but I don't like that title) whom you can supplant by killing. If you become the standard bearer you get permanent heroism and blessing. ATM hounds, basilisks and crystal/law drakes don't have a standard bearer they can beat. For red dragons it's Glaurung, for hydras it's the Lernaean Hydra, for trolls it's Rogrog the black troll, for Xs it's the King of Earth, for ghosts it's Tsekalus the dreadlord, for liches it's Vecna, for spiders it's Shelob, for angels it's Gabriel, and for Balrogs it's either Gothmog or the Balrog of Moria, I forget. For chaos drakes and GWoC it's a new unique who's native to dlvl 97 and looks pretty mean. Also, these race champions (as well as about 5-10 other uniques, a number I hope to increase*) have a 1/15 chance to drop an artifact that's fairly nice, or a 100% chance if they're your race's champion. Technically it's possible to kill your race champion twice, if you kill Glaurung before level 20 as a red dragon then turn into a chaos drake and kill your new standard bearer. You'll be guaranteed both artifacts, but the permanent heroism/blessing won't be doubled. They also don't stack with normal heroism and blessing. It'll probably be possible to 'double dip' with other combinations in the future, it's not something I really plan on preventing - it actually strikes me as kind of a neat challenge goal.

Minor changes: branding from non-weapon equipment effects innate melee, confusion attacks give more feedback, acid/disenchant can hit any of your slots instead of just the first of a given type, Umber Hulks now properly kill walls (though they do insist on stopping and opening doors before they eat them), some monsters from Pos and NPP ported over. (edit: also, super regeneration and poison immunity work now. Branding from EQ provides a better multiplier than innate branding so there's still a reason to wear that ring of flames even if you're a GHW)

This version isn't save compatible with previous versions. It's going to be the last update I release for a few weeks (besides any critical bug fixes) as I begin work in earnest on summoning.

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Originally Posted by Sirridan (Post 46567)
Screwing around with wizard mode before I upgrade to fix the bug for equipment...

Heehee, nice. How well did wielding two weapons work? I haven't done any work on that yet.

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Originally Posted by Ycombinator (Post 46607)
Ugh, isn't this too much for an immaterial undead creature? Or race bonuses increase with level-up?

They do, but you've got a good point when you imply that PASS_WALL creatures should maybe not have the best stats. If I start getting complaints about the dread/xorn end-game being too boring and easy I'll bump them down some.

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Originally Posted by Adley (Post 46616)
You have two weapon slots as a dreadbeing?
And i'm going to add : normal to wield slay foo as a foo?

Nah, that was from when equipping was broken and any slot could be used for any item. ATM no one has multiple weapon slots, though Xorns and Xaren will have two once I implement multi-weapon combat. I'm not sure if they should also get multiple ranged weapon slots or how that would work.

I have no idea how the player manages to hold their light source, so I dunno what monster characters would ever be able to equip more or fewer light sources.

*I've got the Silmarillion on hold at the library, but I could always use the help of any Tolkien nerds for ideas and description writing.

juggle5 January 9, 2011 23:02

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Originally Posted by Sirridan (Post 46609)
I was able to compile it on Linux, but there were problems for me:

1. reposband.h, for some reason I couldn't find it? It *was* in the zip but it didn't extract for some reason. I re-extracted it and all was well. I can say for sure it is in the .5.4.1 zip that he posted.

Pampl,
I tried compiling the latest 0.6 version on Mac, and I can't find reposband.h either. I tried checking both the .tar.gz file and the .zip file. Then I tried browsing the source files on github, and reposband.h doesn't appear to be there. Can you add it to source control and post a 0.6.1 version? Thanks!

pampl January 9, 2011 23:47

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Originally Posted by juggle5 (Post 46624)
Pampl,
I tried compiling the latest 0.6 version on Mac, and I can't find reposband.h either. I tried checking both the .tar.gz file and the .zip file. Then I tried browsing the source files on github, and reposband.h doesn't appear to be there. Can you add it to source control and post a 0.6.1 version? Thanks!

It's up on github now. I can't post a zip that works any better, though, because my compression program already seems to think it successfully included reposband.h. I'll try a .rar version and see if that fixes the problem.

https://github.com/downloads/simongr...band%200.6.rar

juggle5 January 10, 2011 03:02

Thanks! I can compile PosBand now. :)

I think some of the links you had before *did* have reposband.h in them (e.g., the 0.6.0 package); just the links to download the source code had the missing file.

Ycombinator January 10, 2011 13:18

I was able to compile and run RePosBand on Linux by copying src/powers* and lib/xtra/*.glade files from the 0.6 archive to the git repo copy. Archive alone didn't work for me.
Seems to work fine otherwise, keep up the great work!

Challtdow January 10, 2011 13:28

Pampl, is there anywhere else you can upload this too? I've really enjoyed the earlier versions, but mediafire keeps giving me a 403 error when I try to download this one.

Chall T. Dow

Therem Harth January 10, 2011 14:52

Just FWIW I had to grab the autogen.sh file from git to get it to compile on Debian Squeeze... Else I got this:

Code:

$ ./autogen.sh
: command not found2:
: command not found5:
'/autogen.sh: line 15: syntax error near unexpected token `
'/autogen.sh: line 15: `run_or_die ()


pampl January 10, 2011 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Challtdow (Post 46661)
Pampl, is there anywhere else you can upload this too? I've really enjoyed the earlier versions, but mediafire keeps giving me a 403 error when I try to download this one.

Chall T. Dow

Sure, here's a github link:
https://github.com/downloads/simongr...band%200.6.rar
I think I should stop using mediafire anyway, their pop up ads bug me.
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Originally Posted by Ycombinator (Post 46660)
I was able to compile and run RePosBand on Linux by copying src/powers* and lib/xtra/*.glade files from the 0.6 archive to the git repo copy. Archive alone didn't work for me.
Seems to work fine otherwise, keep up the great work!

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Originally Posted by Therem Harth (Post 46662)
Just FWIW I had to grab the autogen.sh file from git to get it to compile on Debian Squeeze... Else I got this:

Code:

$ ./autogen.sh
: command not found2:
: command not found5:
'/autogen.sh: line 15: syntax error near unexpected token `
'/autogen.sh: line 15: `run_or_die ()


Noted. I'll be sure to include those files now.

Arjen January 10, 2011 15:18

Does those 'king' monsters already work? Because i just killed Gothmog and have killed the Balrog of Moria without the perma bless or unique item.

pampl January 10, 2011 16:15

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Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46665)
Does those 'king' monsters already work? Because i just killed Gothmog and have killed the Balrog of Moria without the perma bless or unique item.

Uh oh, that sounds bad. This is 0.6 and you're a Balrog, right? Gothmog doesn't have a unique artifact yet but he should definitely have given you the perma bless and heroism. What were the circumstances you killed him under - were you already blessed/heroic, did you kill him in melee or with ranged or magic items, etc?

Arjen January 10, 2011 16:29

No bless/heroism when i killed him, i meleed him in a gcv (i think). One of those 1 space a monster vaults. I just meleed him as Greater Balrog. I got no notice what so ever of killing my 'king'.

Atm im lvl 49 at dlvl 98 going for the kill.

pampl January 10, 2011 18:17

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Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46668)
No bless/heroism when i killed him, i meleed him in a gcv (i think). One of those 1 space a monster vaults. I just meleed him as Greater Balrog. I got no notice what so ever of killing my 'king'.

Atm im lvl 49 at dlvl 98 going for the kill.

OK, crap, I made it so first it checks if they have an artifact THEN it checks if they're the race's standard bearer, and because he doesn't have an artifact... standard bearers for red dragons, chaos dragons, liches, spiders, trolls, and hydras should still work, but ghosts, angels, and Xs will have the same problem.

0.6.1 will be up on github momentarily. It's savefile compatible. It'll only help people who have yet to slay their standard bearer, though. I could try to make a version that searches back through your kill history to see if you've already done the deed, but it would take a while and it sounds like you're about to win...

How did you like playing a balrog? Too easy, too hard, just right? Did you run into any of the new monsters or uniques or artifacts?
Edit:
Forgot the link to 0.6.1

Arjen January 10, 2011 19:56

Balrog is easy, but that could also because of Feanor at clvl 32... But they are insanely strong, loads of hp and the aggr isnt that bad. I'm now going to get the P. Just killed Sauron without the need of potions/scrolls/rods.

O and why do they have mana? They don't have spells. Not even fire breathe. :)

I'll post my char after morgoth or after my death.

*edit*
Well he is dead, fight was over in 5 minutes. Could have been tricky because i saw i was out of teleports (he drains charges... how would i know?) ;)

Ow and about the new monster/arts/uniques... I didn't find special arts and i did kill some classbosses. But i think i went too fast through the game to find everything.

pampl January 11, 2011 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46676)
Balrog is easy, but that could also because of Feanor at clvl 32... But they are insanely strong, loads of hp and the aggr isnt that bad. I'm now going to get the P. Just killed Sauron without the need of potions/scrolls/rods.

O and why do they have mana? They don't have spells. Not even fire breathe. :)

I'll post my char after morgoth or after my death.

*edit*
Well he is dead, fight was over in 5 minutes. Could have been tricky because i saw i was out of teleports (he drains charges... how would i know?) ;)

Ow and about the new monster/arts/uniques... I didn't find special arts and i did kill some classbosses. But i think i went too fast through the game to find everything.

Fire breath (and later plasma breath) is a cool idea. I'll have to make it pretty expensive to keep them from being better breath spammers than dragons or hounds though.

They have mana for two reasons: one is that it's the default behavior for monsters and I didn't bother changing it, and the other is that they'll eventually have powers anyway. In Pos they had the ability to summon demons and, later, high demons. That might be too strong - and I don't know how much it would contribute to the flavor of playing a renegade Balrog - but my attitude is generally implement first and ask questions later.

Two things I can do to make them harder: one is the brute force solution, reducing their stats and max HP. I'll probably give them 1 point less to stats across the board and a 5 point smaller hp die size (so 125 less max hp at 50) and see what that's like.. I want to have a pretty light touch when it comes to nerfing. The other is more interesting: implementing the FIRE_TOUCH flag from Pos, that makes it so any flammable objects carried by the balrog burst into flames after a few turns. That would make playing a balrog more distinct and flavorful, and hopefully more challenging, but would also reduce their tactical options somewhat... I'm not sure people are interested in tactical variety when they choose to play a raging demon of fire and darkness, though.

Different topic: has anyone had trouble killing monsters inside walls in 0.6 or 0.6.1? I think I'm experiencing a bug and I'm not sure if it's just in my newest code or was introduced earlier.

Sirridan January 11, 2011 07:15

I haven't updated to .6* yet, so I can't say anything on that.

However, here's my thoughts on Balrogs and what could be done to tone them down:

1. Balrogs have a lot of hp. I beat out a level 50 warrior by the mid 30s.
2. Balrogs do a lot of damage. Insane physical stats are great, I love the starting gear, it's a lot of fun and fits thematically just carving your way through the dungeon. Honestly I wasn't in any danger until around the 70's, with one or two close calls due to my over confidence.
3. In their current form, Balrogs are too strong. Even with aggravate, you're still just a wood chipper, and aggravate just acts like the hands piling the wood in.
4. Balrogs heal too much. Massive amounts of hp mean !C*W heal *A LOT*. !CCW can outheal !Heal I think towards the end.

My suggestions to make this more of a challenge instead of just easy-mode warrior.

1. Implement FIRE_TOUCH: Either burn all scrolls and staves immediately, or give them a few rounds. This would probably entail starting a balrog off with a rod of recall.

2. Make balrogs vulnerable to cold: One big weakness in an otherwise near-invincible shell.

I wouldn't nerf the physical stats, playing an overpowered monster is what playing a Balrog should be.

Arjen January 11, 2011 08:24

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Originally Posted by Sirridan (Post 46717)
I haven't updated to .6* yet, so I can't say anything on that.

However, here's my thoughts on Balrogs and what could be done to tone them down:

1. Balrogs have a lot of hp. I beat out a level 50 warrior by the mid 30s.
2. Balrogs do a lot of damage. Insane physical stats are great, I love the starting gear, it's a lot of fun and fits thematically just carving your way through the dungeon. Honestly I wasn't in any danger until around the 70's, with one or two close calls due to my over confidence.
3. In their current form, Balrogs are too strong. Even with aggravate, you're still just a wood chipper, and aggravate just acts like the hands piling the wood in.
4. Balrogs heal too much. Massive amounts of hp mean !C*W heal *A LOT*. !CCW can outheal !Heal I think towards the end.

I wouldn't nerf the physical stats, playing an overpowered monster is what playing a Balrog should be.

1. I think you were lucky with finding con pots. I had like 600 hp at lvl 30 (Still a lot, i know)

2. Yeah, balrog need to be strong, they are demons. And i even found a MoD early on, I switched it for my executioners sword. But i wouldn't change this.

3. Yeah, Aggr helps you more than making the game harder. With the aggr I just wielded Calris, Hammerhand, Gorlim for a while.

4. True, i used CCWs a lot, healing me like 150-200 hp. To avoid this, cap CCW at 100? No idea, i'm not good at balancing games, only playing.

Ow and i hated the burning part, you can't carry WoRs with you so you need to find a rod to travel or buy a lot of scrolls if you have the money. First rod i found was around dlvl 50. And every source of teleporting is also vulnerable to fire, so you also loose your way out. I needed teleporting several times because of chainsummoning.

I would go for the second idea of making them vulnerable for cold. And maybe light (as being a 'good' attack.)

To make them harder you can also increase the xp they need to level. Balrogs are old right? And they have seen the world. Just make them 300%- 400%. This way you won't level as fast when you are way out of your detph killing monsters.

Or maybe just flag them as munchkin monsterrace? :)

Adley January 11, 2011 10:10

Morgoth Curses renegades.
Curse has different effects, the probability of one happening, it's frequency and the type of curses that can happen depending on your level :
Some random curses idea :
Summon Q's
Summon breeders (they appear, awake, on random tiles in the level)
Summon minor demons
Summon greater Demons
Summon minor undeads
Summon greater Undeads
Summon minor dragons
Summon greater Dragons
Random teleport
Reduce a random stat
Remove (for a small time) an innate positive flag
Ect

Arjen January 11, 2011 10:43

Hmm, that would be fun too (except for the breeders and stat loss). Can be a nice add. Just don't make it happen too often that you are killing the previous curse monsters when the next spawn.

Ow and i noticed something annoying with Hydra's. When they become 5-headed, your attacks are venomous which is nice except that you can't kill anything with resist poison. This will also happen later with the fire based attack. Can't you make it that when a monster resists the attack, you will do normal damage without the poison/fire brand?

I just found Lugdusk and i ran through 300 hp without even removing 1 star from him... He is unkillable now.

*edit*

You can 'fix' this problem with wielding branded rings. This way you can have multiple brands and will be able to hit more monsters. Just avoid res base monsters?

pampl January 11, 2011 15:20

Alright, I went with making balrogs vulnerable to cold and increasing the XP multiplier significantly - I figured that would make it clear they're a more powerful (i.e. munchkin) race. I'll add FIRE_TOUCH when they have the ability to summon, so they can have at least one way to deal with summon spam. On the flip side, now they can breathe fire balls at 20 and plasma balls at 45.. 5 levels later than red dragons, and at about ~3x the mana cost.

I like the idea of a Morgothian curse but it would take some time to implement and so will have to wait until after top priority features, i.e. summoning and questing.

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Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46724)
Ow and i noticed something annoying with Hydra's. When they become 5-headed, your attacks are venomous which is nice except that you can't kill anything with resist poison. This will also happen later with the fire based attack. Can't you make it that when a monster resists the attack, you will do normal damage without the poison/fire brand?

I just made it so non-physical attacks do half their damage as physical attacks. So resist poison guys will still take less damage, but only 45% less damage rather than 90% less damage. Will upload later today when I get back from work and solve this problem with innate attacks against creatures inside walls.

Arjen January 11, 2011 15:32

Nice, because i was really wondering how i was going to kill res base type of monsters. :)

Ow and i noticed it too that i could attack monsters in the walls but it wouldn't do any damage.

ekolis January 11, 2011 15:49

Picked up Reposband for the first time just now, and for some reason when playing as a baby red dragon, the inventory and equipment lists don't work - I did close the extra term windows, but surely they should show up on the main window as in normal Angband and other variants!

Also, it seems as if instead of my "d" being red (and highlighted with the cursor - I THOUGHT I turned on highlight player!), it's white! Could that have something to do with the color player by HP option, perhaps?

Finally, are permawalls SUPPOSED to be red? I thought they were supposed to be brown or gray or something...

pampl January 11, 2011 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekolis (Post 46741)
Also, it seems as if instead of my "d" being red (and highlighted with the cursor - I THOUGHT I turned on highlight player!), it's white! Could that have something to do with the color player by HP option, perhaps?

Finally, are permawalls SUPPOSED to be red? I thought they were supposed to be brown or gray or something...

These are intended. Color player by HP overrides normal coloration, in case someone depends on that option or just prefers it. Permawalls became red in Angband 3.2
Quote:

Picked up Reposband for the first time just now, and for some reason when playing as a baby red dragon, the inventory and equipment lists don't work - I did close the extra term windows, but surely they should show up on the main window as in normal Angband and other variants!
This isn't intended, however. What do you mean by them not working? Does the main window go blank when you try to bring them up, or does it just do nothing, or what? And did they display on the term windows before you closed them?

ekolis January 11, 2011 21:40

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Originally Posted by pampl (Post 46754)
This isn't intended, however. What do you mean by them not working? Does the main window go blank when you try to bring them up, or does it just do nothing, or what? And did they display on the term windows before you closed them?

No, the window doesn't go blank, and I even get a message saying something like "Inventory: 3/26 slots, 5/180 lb" or whatever... but the actual list never appears! I closed the term windows before I even started the game (well, after I ran the exe and before I created a character)... is there perhaps an malfunctioning option that prevents the list from showing up on both the main and sub windows? Or maybe I have to turn off the sub windows in the menu, instead of just closing them? I'll play around with it a bit more...

By the way, is it just me or are nested quote tags not working on this forum anymore? I used to get nested quotes when I quoted a message containing quotes... now I don't!

ekolis January 11, 2011 21:42

Well, that's bizarre... Now it works perfectly! Maybe the game didn't detect my resizing/maximizing the window right the first time...

pampl January 11, 2011 21:51

Version 0.6.2 is up. Now monsters in walls can be damaged by innate melee. A side effect of how this works is that they can be damaged by spells if they're directly hit. They're still immune to AoE. I kind of like how this works so I'm considering it a feature.

Monsters' innate melee will now do half physical damage when it would normally do entirely elemental damage. I don't want hydras and eventually green and white dragons to have to spend ALL their time running away from undead etc.

Balrogs have VULN_COLD and 25 max HP/level (used to be 30) and in exchange they get fire breath and later plasma breath.

Gothmog, Quaker, and Tselakus now all carry special artifacts they'll drop for members of their race or lucky people. Thanks go to djabanete for providing the descriptions. Gabriel still doesn't have one, and MHD and law drakes don't even have a champion yet let alone a special artifact. Hounds now have both though, in the form of the Zephyr King and his ethereal cloak. The artifacts are probably a little OP (they were made to be similarly balanced as existing race artifacts, which are also a little ridiculous) and the Zephyr King might be too easy considering he's the leader of the most annoying enemies in the game. We shall see! Oh, also, once you kill Glaurung he's liable to come back as a POed ghost. Be sure to tell me if you somehow see his ghost before you've killed him.

Unless there are more big bugs, I expect this to be the last release for a while, until summoning is usable. Next release will also include gold, white, and blue dragons, and maybe something oddball like quadrapeds (comedy mumak option)

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Originally Posted by ekolis (Post 46762)
Well, that's bizarre... Now it works perfectly! Maybe the game didn't detect my resizing/maximizing the window right the first time...

Strange.. hopefully it stays working, that code is somewhere I fear to tread.

ekolis January 11, 2011 22:00

By the way, is the +8 ring of damage as starting equipment intentional? That made my dragon a melee powerhouse!

ekolis January 11, 2011 23:46

Hmm, also, just a quibble, but the game reports "version 0.6.0" on the title screen, even after installing 0.6.2 ;)

pampl January 12, 2011 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekolis (Post 46765)
By the way, is the +8 ring of damage as starting equipment intentional? That made my dragon a melee powerhouse!

I copied Pos's starting equipment where applicable. If you think that's OP, you don't wanna see at what angels start with ;)
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Originally Posted by ekolis (Post 46770)
Hmm, also, just a quibble, but the game reports "version 0.6.0" on the title screen, even after installing 0.6.2 ;)

Whoops, I'm really bad about remembering to change that thing.

Arjen January 12, 2011 13:21

Meleeing as Hydra works a lot better now. You can see the monster resists your brand but it not indestructible anymore.

Arjen January 12, 2011 17:48

Found a bug with the Lernaean Hydra. I killed him and he dropped his artifact. Gloves... Hydras can't wield gloves =)

AnonymousHero January 12, 2011 17:56

Any chance you could include the generated "configure" script in the repo? It's incredibly annoying getting the exact right versions of the auto* crud installed & working.

pampl January 12, 2011 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46789)
Found a bug with the Lernaean Hydra. I killed him and he dropped his artifact. Gloves... Hydras can't wield gloves =)

That's not good. Did you get the "Congratulations" message at least? Did it end by saying "You notice the Lernaean Hydra drop a strange pair of gloves"? Also, do you remember if when you entered the level it gave you a subtle hint about the Lernaean Hydra being generated?
Quote:

Originally Posted by AnonymousHero (Post 46790)
Any chance you could include the generated "configure" script in the repo? It's incredibly annoying getting the exact right versions of the auto* crud installed & working.

Sure, sorry about that. I'm a bit of an amateur at this stuff so I'm never sure what to include. What's the file name?

Good news for Mac users, Nick has compiled an OSX version.

Arjen January 12, 2011 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 46792)
That's not good. Did you get the "Congratulations" message at least? Did it end by saying "You notice the Lernaean Hydra drop a strange pair of gloves"? Also, do you remember if when you entered the level it gave you a subtle hint about the Lernaean Hydra being generated?

Yes i did got the warning and the Congratulations and the notice. I only can't wield gloves because Hydra's dont't have a glove slot.

pampl January 12, 2011 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46797)
Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 46792)
That's not good. Did you get the "Congratulations" message at least? Did it end by saying "You notice the Lernaean Hydra drop a strange pair of gloves"? Also, do you remember if when you entered the level it gave you a subtle hint about the Lernaean Hydra being generated?

Yes i did got the warning and the Congratulations and the notice. I only can't wield gloves because Hydra's dont't have a glove slot.

Yeah, it wasn't supposed to be gloves, it was supposed to be the Iron Crown of the Hydras. Which pair of gloves is it?

I think I'll do centipedes soon. Multiple body segments = multiple suits of armor, and maybe multiple capes. Only their 2 antennae can wear rings though, and I'll probably have to think up some reason why they can't wear 50 pairs of boots. Lousy hp and str/con but high dex, like spiders. They'll be the first race which can't wear a helmet.

Arjen January 12, 2011 19:43

Ill post my char now.

pampl January 12, 2011 21:59

I responded on your char dump but I'll post it here too, so everyone can see it: ATM the randomize artifacts option will also randomize racial artifacts, possibly making your racial artifact something you can't even wear. I'll post the fix for it soon. I'll also fix innate melee giving two feedback messages ("The Ogre grunts in pain") per hit. Get in your bug reports ASAP if you want them to be fixed for 0.6.3!

Nick January 13, 2011 00:24

I have tried 3 spiders so far, in a very short time - so they're living up to original Pos standard :)

I used to use quests in Pos as a means of getting a few early levels and gaining more useful powers, so would quite like to see quests implemented at some point. Also, obviously, summoning.

One buglet - quickstarting a new spider (something that is comes up quite frequently) doesn't work - I got a Human Warrior. Maybe you haven't allowed for the increase in the number of races?

pampl January 13, 2011 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick (Post 46821)
I have tried 3 spiders so far, in a very short time - so they're living up to original Pos standard :)

I used to use quests in Pos as a means of getting a few early levels and gaining more useful powers, so would quite like to see quests implemented at some point. Also, obviously, summoning.

One buglet - quickstarting a new spider (something that is comes up quite frequently) doesn't work - I got a Human Warrior. Maybe you haven't allowed for the increase in the number of races?

I'm glad you mentioned spiders, that reminded me I still have to implement web spells. The quickstart problem is sort of intended - it just uses option 0 for everything (so a female human warrior) instead of basing it on your last character, because otherwise it tries to use the race you were when you died, which means starting as an ancient dragon or whatever. Not as fun as it sounds - it extrapolates the speed and AC bonus back to level 1, making you start with pretty big negatives in both. I should probably fix that, though it does have the side effect of giving XP drain a little more teeth.

AnonymousHero January 13, 2011 06:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by pampl (Post 46792)
Sure, sorry about that. I'm a bit of an amateur at this stuff so I'm never sure what to include. What's the file name?

It should be just "configure". (Only exists after running the autogen.sh file.)

On second thought it might be better to avoid including it in the repository direct and instead providing a source download for each version (with "configure" included).

Arjen January 13, 2011 09:56

I've discovered something weird. When i was clearing out an undead pit, i noticed my auto-destroy was reset. I wasn't destroying anything anymore. And in the past destroyed objects were spawned back in the level, psuedo-ided or even fully ided. So i went and put everything back in the auto-destroy and continued. Now i just cleared a demon pit. Same thing occurs. I put some spellbooks in the autodestroy and suddenly they are back on the ground with a lot of other stuff. And now i can't even put them back in auto-destroy or even just destroy them at all! So now i have to literally throw away stuff i don't want.

I have no idea what triggered this, i only know it started both times when i was killed a lot of monsters who drop a lot of items.

pampl January 13, 2011 11:16

I couldn't sleep so I worked on 0.6.3 instead, and it'll be out in time for the weekend. Quick start is fixed but it means savefiles aren't compatible so delay upgrading until you've died. Now spiders can spin webs, innate melee doesn't spam 2x as much feedback as it should, and other stuff I'll add as I remember (edit: randarts no longer break racial artifacts)

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Originally Posted by AnonymousHero (Post 46832)
It should be just "configure". (Only exists after running the autogen.sh file.)

On second thought it might be better to avoid including it in the repository direct and instead providing a source download for each version (with "configure" included).

I don't have any "configure" file.. the only files I have without extensions are the makefiles, install-sh, run-tests, and HEADER. I've never run the autogen.sh file unless make runs it automatically :confused:
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Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46835)
I've discovered something weird. When i was clearing out an undead pit, i noticed my auto-destroy was reset. I wasn't destroying anything anymore. And in the past destroyed objects were spawned back in the level, psuedo-ided or even fully ided. So i went and put everything back in the auto-destroy and continued. Now i just cleared a demon pit. Same thing occurs. I put some spellbooks in the autodestroy and suddenly they are back on the ground with a lot of other stuff. And now i can't even put them back in auto-destroy or even just destroy them at all! So now i have to literally throw away stuff i don't want.

I have no idea what triggered this, i only know it started both times when i was killed a lot of monsters who drop a lot of items.

The squelcher doesn't destroy stuff, it just drops it then ignores it. There's a bug from V that your quality squelch settings get reset every time you close the game, but that shouldn't effect spellbooks.. can you attach a savefile to your post?

Posting this here so other people can get their 2c in as well...
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Originally Posted by Arjen
The amount of equipmentslots is insane now. Got 11 amulets and 11 helmets. Even without randarts i think it too much. Just think about it. You can wield a:

- amulet of resistance
- amulet of trickery
- amulet of devotion
- amulet of weapmastery
And another 7 amulets

Same with helmets:
- of magi
- of might
- of lordliness
- of seeing
- of telepathy
- Gondor
- Dor-Lim
- Golim
- Hammerhand
- and another one

It would still be pretty overpower
But with randarts it's even more insane :) Got 3 immunities, 30+ speed, high stats, all resses, several melee bonusses, several ESP sources and 444 AC.

Even with all those you're still effectively a warrior who can't use a bow and is only doing 1/2 as much damage as a non-monster warrior (4 attacks * (20 base + 100 bonus) vs ~1000 damage per round). Now, I can definitely see how AC could get too high, and I'm willing to implement a diminishing returns formula on ACs over 150 or 200 (it'll just be a quick hack fix if AC is going to be changed in 3.3) but the marginal value of the non-AC bonuses from additional helmet/amulet slots once you already have ~4 is pretty low. By the time you've filled all those slots, it's the late late late end game and you'd have beaten Morgoth already if you were a demihuman.

If hydras are more powerful than their XP modifier indicates, I'm willing to increase it or even slightly reduce their stats, but I'm really reluctant to change their slots, especially their head/neck slots.

Arjen January 13, 2011 11:28

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If it works this post must have the savefile?

pampl January 13, 2011 15:04

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Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46844)
If it works this post must have the savefile?

I can't figure out what happened with the spellbooks but have you tried pressing shift+K? I didn't know about it before looking at your savefile but it apparently turns the quality squelcher on and off.

Arjen January 13, 2011 15:56

shft+k i never used that command. What does it do? I use k for destroying stuff.

relic January 13, 2011 21:00

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Originally Posted by pampl (Post 46792)
Good news for Mac users, Nick has compiled an OSX version.

I am confused. :confused:
Why is it called reposband-3.2.0? Is it compiled on the 0.6 source? Or 0.6.1?

Nick January 13, 2011 22:23

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Originally Posted by relic (Post 46863)
I am confused. :confused:
Why is it called reposband-3.2.0? Is it compiled on the 0.6 source? Or 0.6.1?

It's a fairly sloppy job on my part - I haven't gone and checked stuff like version numbers. It's actually based on 0.6.2.

pampl January 14, 2011 00:45

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Originally Posted by Arjen (Post 46853)
shft+k i never used that command. What does it do? I use k for destroying stuff.

Shift+k lets you see all the objects you've squelched with k. Pressing shift+k again should hide them all again, hopefully.

I decided that the oddball race I'd be adding is beholders. Spectators, gauths, beholders, then maybe a choice between undead beholders and beholder mothers. They can wear rings on their eyestalks and wrap cloaks around their heads but no other equipment (besides maybe a hat). In exchange they get powerful offensive magic. They'll probably be a challenge race, but that's OK.

Arjen January 14, 2011 08:04

Already like em!

Psi January 14, 2011 09:03

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Originally Posted by pampl (Post 46871)
...but no other equipment (besides maybe a hat).

Well that's just shattered the fearsome image I had of those 'e's. Now I see a comedy eyeball with a stetson.

Nick January 14, 2011 09:46

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Originally Posted by Psi (Post 46886)
Now I see a comedy eyeball with a stetson.

Good lookin' crowd tonight, great to see you all :)


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