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Nomad December 16, 2011 00:08
I haven't even fully identified this one yet, but it's already managed to be memorable:

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h) the Cloak of Naron [1] <+4, +1> {special}
    Found lying on the floor at 50 feet (level 1).
   
    You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
    +4 strength, stealth.
    +1 light radius.
    Grants telepathy. 
   
    It can be activated.
Literally the first thing I picked up, four steps from the up stairs.

Magnate December 16, 2011 11:02
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Originally Posted by Nomad (Post 64880)
I haven't even fully identified this one yet, but it's already managed to be memorable:

Code:
h) the Cloak of Naron [1] <+4, +1> {special}
    Found lying on the floor at 50 feet (level 1).
   
    You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
    +4 strength, stealth.
    +1 light radius.
    Grants telepathy. 
   
    It can be activated.
Literally the first thing I picked up, four steps from the up stairs.
Wow - nice. Please print the spoiler when you finish the game, as I'd like to see what its min/max depths are, and its overall power level, and its parent standart. Is this v4 btw?

Nomad December 16, 2011 11:49
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Originally Posted by Magnate (Post 64904)
Wow - nice. Please print the spoiler when you finish the game, as I'd like to see what its min/max depths are, and its overall power level, and its parent standart. Is this v4 btw?
Yep. 14th December version; I've played quite a lot of games in this version and the drops have seemed fairly balanced so far in the early game, so this might just be luck of the RNG. The only other artefact I've found, a couple of games back, was a fairly low-level randart helm around dlevel 15.

This game's still in progress, but if I'm deciphering randart.log correctly, it appears to be based off of Thorin, with these stats:

Code:
FINAL POWER IS 240
Old depths are min 40, max 127
Alloc prob is 51
k_ptr->alloc_prob is 25
New depths are min 41, max 127
Power-based alloc_prob is 51

Magnate December 16, 2011 11:54
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Originally Posted by Nomad (Post 64908)
Yep. 14th December version; I've played quite a lot of games in this version and the drops have seemed fairly balanced so far in the early game, so this might just be luck of the RNG. The only other artefact I've found, a couple of games back, was a fairly low-level randart helm around dlevel 15.

This game's still in progress, but if I'm deciphering randart.log correctly, it appears to be based off of Thorin, with these stats:

Code:
FINAL POWER IS 240
Old depths are min 40, max 127
Alloc prob is 51
k_ptr->alloc_prob is 25
New depths are min 41, max 127
Power-based alloc_prob is 51
Oh good, that's very encouraging - you were just freakishly lucky to find it 40 levels OOD. Its alloc_prob of 51 (roughly 5 in old money, or rarity 20 in very old money) is not too bad. It isn't ultra-rare or overpowered, just really uber for dl1.

I'm glad that the general balance of items seems ok now. I did a very quick adjustment when I confirmed that I had overshot on the generosity of affixes, and I'm glad it's turning out ok. I'll be running some more stats to analyse it more closely this weekend or next week.

Timo Pietilä December 16, 2011 13:04
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Originally Posted by Nomad (Post 64908)
This game's still in progress, but if I'm deciphering randart.log correctly, it appears to be based off of Thorin, with these stats:
If it is based on Thorin it probably has quite a lot more than just ESP, STR and some stealth. That is unless Thorin has been severely weakened in v4 (Magnate has tried to do that in vanilla countless times, but has been voted down each time by other people).

Magnate December 17, 2011 10:37
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Originally Posted by Timo Pietilä (Post 64913)
If it is based on Thorin it probably has quite a lot more than just ESP, STR and some stealth. That is unless Thorin has been severely weakened in v4 (Magnate has tried to do that in vanilla countless times, but has been voted down each time by other people).
Wow, your malice is getting the better of you. I actually tried just once, removing rSound. This was then reverted after the fuss kicked up by you/Eddie about how this ruined "standard endgame kit" (the entire concept of which is bogus).

What I have done "countless times" is point how how totally unbalanced Thorin is for its depth and rarity.

Eventually I succeeded in persuading the community to accept changes to Thorin in V, though they were made by Jens rather than me. There are also now some more competing artifact shields.

Timo Pietilä December 17, 2011 13:42
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Originally Posted by Magnate (Post 64942)
Wow, your malice is getting the better of you. I actually tried just once, removing rSound. This was then reverted after the fuss kicked up by you/Eddie about how this ruined "standard endgame kit" (the entire concept of which is bogus).

What I have done "countless times" is point how how totally unbalanced Thorin is for its depth and rarity.
Which I count as trying to weaken Thorin (by lobbying).

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Originally Posted by Magnate (Post 64942)
Eventually I succeeded in persuading the community to accept changes to Thorin in V, though they were made by Jens rather than me. There are also now some more competing artifact shields.
I would not have agreed with that change, but at that time several other things changed as well (multiple PVAL:s got implemented), so I was not sure how well it played out. It wasn't very severe change (STR dropped by one and it got negative stealth of -1) unlike what you tried to lobby (plain PVAL drop which would have dropped CON as well). I would believe you are still trying to do that off the scene (in dev IRC?).

After 3.3 was released my interest in playing the game severely dropped, I guess because it is so badly broken in so many ways, and devs are not interested at all to discuss what they think should be changed in V with mundane people. I feel that when Takkaria left vanilla was deserted. It is now that stagnate game that it was before he started working with it, problem is that it is now left in much worse condition than what Robert left it.

Djabanete December 17, 2011 17:32
Come on, now, what's with the guerilla warfare? :(

From Entroband Vanilla mode, dropped by Shagrat in the mid-teens:

The Cloak 'Faroth' [1,+14] (+4 to searching)
It has +4 to STR, INT, DEX, CON; sus CON; res elec, disenchantment, and fear; hold life. Not bad! This helped rocket my one and only Entro winner to victory =D

debo December 18, 2011 04:02
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Originally Posted by Timo Pietilä (Post 64945)
After 3.3 was released my interest in playing the game severely dropped, I guess because it is so badly broken in so many ways, and devs are not interested at all to discuss what they think should be changed in V with mundane people.
I'm really curious as to what you think is "broken" in 3.3. I'm dead new to Angband, but I've played the hell out of and won several other roguelikes, and Angband 3.3 is probably the best I've played of the bunch IMO. I was astonished to find this level of polish in a console Roguelike. Also, I liked how I was able to pick it up as a newbie with a character that is supposed to be newbie friendly, and that it only took a few times (with many close brushes with death) before I was able to win.

I think that if I hadn't played so many other roguelikes, I would have died countless times playing vanilla 3.3, regardless of what character I picked.

Magnate December 18, 2011 07:09
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timo Pietilä (Post 64945)
I would not have agreed with that change, but at that time several other things changed as well (multiple PVAL:s got implemented), so I was not sure how well it played out. It wasn't very severe change (STR dropped by one and it got negative stealth of -1) unlike what you tried to lobby (plain PVAL drop which would have dropped CON as well). I would believe you are still trying to do that off the scene (in dev IRC?).
Not really - I'm quite a lot more relaxed about Thorin now, and haven't lobbied for changing it for quite a while. Jens's changes (which included increased rarity), and the introductions of Elros and The Sun, seem to be enough.


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