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Sky January 22, 2017 00:31

petition #1
 
petition to switch names between Eog and Bronze golems.

Eog is a mythical material from Tolkien's Silmarillion, that only a few smiths of the caliber of Eöl could work with; on the other hand, Bronze is a relatively soft metal.

following the tradition of D&D and some basic material science, i would re-grade the golems thus:
clay
flesh
bone
stone
bronze
iron
mithril
eog

i'll leave to you the choice of where the drolem goes, but i would place it between iron and mithril.

Nick January 22, 2017 07:35

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Originally Posted by Sky (Post 117457)
Eog is a mythical material from Tolkien's Silmarillion, that only a few smiths of the caliber of Eöl could work with

I think you're thinking of galvorn. As far as I know eog golems are a creation of Angband.

Sky January 22, 2017 13:07

Eog was a dwarfish-elvish metal-alloy made of durang, mithril and other unknown materials said to have been invented originally by Eol the dark Elf.It was glaring, true white or red in color and one of the rarest and most prized materials, workable only by a handful of the most skilled craftsmen.

looks like it came out of MERP, possibly out of some obscure publication like unfinished tales; the historical placement of eog is in the age of the silmarillion and of the great elvish smiths. if the name is synonimos with galvorn, so be it. it still needs to rank higher than a bronze golem.

speaking of which, DAMN how strong those things are.

Derakon January 22, 2017 15:12

The thing that makes bronze golems dangerous isn't the material they're made out of, it's how that material is used. Most of the "<material> golems" are basically just ordinary statues of humanoids that have been granted the power to move. But the bronze golem is more like a demon coerced into inhabiting a statue -- or else, a statue enchanted with demonic powers.

I'll grant that the name of the golem isn't a strong indicator of its power, but if you read the monster's description you should be rightfully worried. "A gigantic four-armed animated bronze statue of demonic shape, glowing with great heat." That does not sound similar to the other golems.

Sky January 22, 2017 18:58

shouldn't we then have a smaller bronze golem too ?

Nick January 22, 2017 20:22

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Originally Posted by Sky (Post 117464)
looks like it came out of MERP, possibly out of some obscure publication like unfinished tales; the historical placement of eog is in the age of the silmarillion and of the great elvish smiths. if the name is synonimos with galvorn, so be it.

Tolkien's metal creations were mithril, galvorn and arguably adamant - eog and durang would appear to be creations of MERP (like Calris, most of the Angband ringwraith names, etc).

Derakon January 22, 2017 20:58

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Originally Posted by Sky (Post 117468)
shouldn't we then have a smaller bronze golem too ?

Only if we feel it necessary to have golems for every possibly-relevant metal, and I think we have plenty of monsters that just fight in melee, thanks.

Pete Mack January 22, 2017 21:15

Indeed. There are quite enough of these, and already complete set of higher ones-Dracolich, Bone, and Bronze. If there's any monster to add it's a renamed Azriel.

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Originally Posted by Derakon (Post 117474)
Only if we feel it necessary to have golems for every possibly-relevant metal, and I think we have plenty of monsters that just fight in melee, thanks.



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