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wobbly September 7, 2019 22:37

Chess thread
 
Got curious if there were many chess players around. I started playing again & thought it might be interesting to have a thread where people can share games or ramble about openings or anything else etc. etc. Anyway, I'm far from the greatest player but decent (I'm around 1800 FIDE) & played this game at a recent Simil. My opponent's play wasn't the best (something to do with playing 15 games at once I guess) & it isn't the most exciting game, but hey, a win is a win. I'm trying to work out if there's a good way to exploit my odd opening play because on the 1 hand it looks pretty suspicious. On the other hand if he just plays a bunch of normal developing moves we end up transposing into normal theory for the K.I.D. or the King's English & if he tries to punish it & goes wrong, I get a great position.

not me - me
King's Indian Defense

1. c4 c6 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nd7 4. Nc3 e5 5. e3 Ngf6 6. d5 cxd5 7. cxd5 g6 8. h4 Bg7 9. Bd3 Nc5 10. Be2 Bf5 11. b4 Nce4 12. Nxe4 Bxe4 13. Bb5+ Nd7 14. h5 Rc8 15. hxg6 hxg6 16. Rxh8+ Bxh8 17. Qa4 Bxd5 18. Bb2 a6 19. Bxd7+ Qxd7 20. Qxd7+ Kxd7 21. Rd1 Bxf3 22. gxf3 Ke6 23. Kd2 Bf6 24. Rh1 Rc4 25. a3 Rh4 26. Rxh4 Bxh4 27. Ke2 Kd5 28. f4 exf4 29. exf4 Ke4 30. Bc1 d5 31. Be3 d4 32. f3+ Kd5 33. Resigns

HugoTheGreat2011 September 8, 2019 02:49

When Fnord was around a year ago, we had some nice chats about chess on angband.live. Maybe you could re-introduce the topic sometime.

Nick September 8, 2019 06:25

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Originally Posted by HugoTheGreat2011 (Post 139989)
When Fnord was around a year ago, we had some nice chats about chess on angband.live. Maybe you could re-introduce the topic sometime.

I don't understand why you left out the person's name.

judias September 8, 2019 07:59

Hi, I also play chess at amateur level, in that game white does several dubiuos moves, e3, d5, h4 and Bd3
e3 has logic to fortify d4 and does not combine well with d5, e4 is a very important point and must be controlled, for this positions a tipical layout is pawns in e4 and d5 bishop in e2 and knigth in f3, if e4 becomes under attack Kd2 defends and begin to transfer it to queen´s side (b3 or c4)

h4 Why? a tempo loss, it would be better to develop another piece

Bd3, it is attacked in the next move and retreat to Be2

So, we can see two move losses and a weakness in e4 in only ten moves

wobbly September 8, 2019 13:48

Hi judias I pretty much agree and I also think b4 was suspect (just 1 weakness too many). It's strange because white's quite a high rated player but he's no longer an active player so maybe he just muddled half remembered systems in his head. Early h4 is normal in some openings but usually its the french/caro-kann structure which is completely different. Here I don't see what its meant to be doing. It's interesting, my only win against a master was a dodgy h4 move too. Must be the fashionable way to lose to weaker players. I might see if I can find that old game. It's pretty amusing to see a WFM hang their queen. It was a real gift.

Sideways September 8, 2019 16:23

Agree with what was said above: d5 and h4 both look suspect, and Bd3 is just bad, it wastes time and loses any hope White had of following up on h4 with a further kingside push.

(At the same time, I can understand the logic behind playing h4: if you are - or think you are - the better player, sometimes you just feel that urge to bash the other guy's face in, especially if the game is not that serious. I doubt White would play h4 in a tournament game against an opponent of equal strength.)

14.Ng5 was a missed tactical possibility that would have made White's position less bad. I'm a bit surprised that White never really tried to complicate, he just died a slow death through his positional weaknesses and missing pawn. Maybe he thought he could miracle-draw the endgame just by being the better player.

Nicely played game from you! I don't think there's any way to really punish your opening play, but any attempt would likely involve 5.e4 instead of 5.e3. I don't think 5.e3 is necessarily bad, but it's not a punish-someone's-opening-play move. (Of course, 5.e4 does transpose into more-played lines, so it's unlikely White can really punish you there either.)

judias September 8, 2019 17:02

e3 is not bad and can be played, it tries to go to a reversed colours french, the king´s indian attack line (1.e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 c5 4.Ngf3 Nc65 .g3 Nf6). It is good played with black with one move less, it will be good with white. But white can not mix different ideas with d5.
There are good lines in different openings with an early h4 (two in caro-kann, two in french I remember now) but as a general rule I avoid every line with an early side pawn move. They are usually very sharp lines where one single suboptimal move means lost game.

Retired australian grand master? I can only think of one person, he played in my chess club like 20 years ago, one game he played shocked me, I still remember the opening (1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 Nc6 5.Nc3 e5 6.O-O Nge7 7.a3 d6 8.b4 e4 9.Ng5 f5)

Sideways September 8, 2019 17:45

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply 5.e3 was bad, just that it's not the kind of move that wins a game right in the opening.

DrWho42 September 8, 2019 17:45

i'm bad at chess but i still play :P

wobbly September 8, 2019 18:45

There's also a Smyslov/Petrosian variation with Bg5 & e3 but I guess he can't get into that position as I haven't played Nf6 yet.

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Originally Posted by DrWho42 (Post 139997)
i'm bad at chess but i still play :P

Nice. Sometimes its good to be bad, easier to find someone else of the same strength.

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Originally Posted by Sideways (Post 139994)
Nicely played game from you! I don't think there's any way to really punish your opening play, but any attempt would likely involve 5.e4 instead of 5.e3. I don't think 5.e3 is necessarily bad, but it's not a punish-someone's-opening-play move. (Of course, 5.e4 does transpose into more-played lines, so it's unlikely White can really punish you there either.)

Thanks. It's certainly convenient if I can play that order because I hate the English (apologies for my racism), so if I can get to a slav after 1. c4 c6 2. d4 d5 without having to play a Reti after 1. c4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 then I'm happy.


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Originally Posted by judias (Post 139995)
Retired australian grand master? I can only think of one person, he played in my chess club like 20 years ago, one game he played shocked me, I still remember the opening (1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 Nc6 5.Nc3 e5 6.O-O Nge7 7.a3 d6 8.b4 e4 9.Ng5 f5)

Untitled. Former WA champion. There's not a lot of GMs in this country, I see more foreign GMs at Australian tournaments then Australian GMs.

Anyway found that old game I mentioned. How to beat a master - step 1: get lucky & hope they blunder their queen. She quite helpfully puts her bishop on the queen's retreat square. Also 12. h4 for some reason. Never play h4. I was pretty happy to see 5. Nc3 as someone else surprised me with 5. Bb5+ Bd7 6. Bc4 & I got smashed. Still don't know how to deal with that line properly.

WFM - me
caro-kann (2. c4 line)

1. e4 c6 2. c4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. cxd5 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nxd5 6. Qf3 e6 7. Bc4 Nb6 8. Bb5+ N8d7 9. d4 Bd6 10. Nge2 O-O 11. O-O Qc7 12. h4 e5 13. d5 f5 14. Ng3 e4 15. Qh5 Nf6 16. Qg5 Bxg3 17. fxg3 Nbxd5 18. Be2 Be6 19. Bd2 h6 20. Nxd5 Nxd5 21. Qg6 Rf6 22. Qh5 Bf7 23. Rfc1 Qb6+ 24. Resigns

Edit: That line you gave actually looks like the reverse of a closed Sicilian except for the pawn being on c5. You know: 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 & push all the king pawns like a barbarian.

HallucinationMushroom September 9, 2019 03:11

I enjoy playing chess, I used to play a fair bit but never considered myself 'good'. I have no idea what my FIDE rating would be. I might be a pushover, but if you play on chess.com, feel free to add me. My username is lineandstamper. Shrugs. I prefer 3 minute a side games for fun and profit, because like when I play Angband, I can't be bothered to think. lol.

I will look at your game in depth tomorrow at work, I'm too tipply atm. But, my best game of all time, would be this one: https://www.chess.com/daily/game/30454534 36.Nxf7+ is my favorite chess memory of all time. It felt good to play it, the board just felt alive.

wobbly September 9, 2019 10:37

Nice. Not sure if I have an account but if its free I'll join. I'm actually pretty terrible at 3 minute lightning but that's fine. Almost everyone plays terrible at that speed, it's the great leveller and can be fun. If we're on-line at the same time we can play.

Sideways September 9, 2019 15:09

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Originally Posted by wobbly (Post 140012)
Nice. Not sure if I have an account but if its free I'll join. I'm actually pretty terrible at 3 minute lightning but that's fine. Almost everyone plays terrible at that speed, it's the great leveller and can be fun.

I don't think fast play makes things more equal between players at all; if anything, the opposite. A good player blunders in a 3-minute game and he'll pose you lots of problems that are hard to solve so fast, and even if you do solve them all he still runs your clock out. Good players might make fewer mistakes in slower games but they do still make mistakes and when they do, you have much better chances to convert your advantage.

Of course the flip side is that the same also goes when you are the better player :)

judias September 9, 2019 16:52

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Originally Posted by wobbly (Post 140000)

Thanks. It's certainly convenient if I can play that order because I hate the English (apologies for my racism), so if I can get to a slav after 1. c4 c6 2. d4 d5 without having to play a Reti after 1. c4 c6 2. Nf3 d5 then I'm happy.


The slav defense is maybe the most trustworthy defense out there in all of its lines, you are right trying to play it
If you do not know hoy to play against the Reti system take a look at this game: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1102115
That system is so good than most of reti players play 3.d4 instead of playing it.

wobbly September 11, 2019 20:46

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Originally Posted by HallucinationMushroom (Post 140005)
I enjoy playing chess, I used to play a fair bit but never considered myself 'good'. I have no idea what my FIDE rating would be. I might be a pushover, but if you play on chess.com, feel free to add me. My username is lineandstamper. Shrugs. I prefer 3 minute a side games for fun and profit, because like when I play Angband, I can't be bothered to think. lol.

I will look at your game in depth tomorrow at work, I'm too tipply atm. But, my best game of all time, would be this one: https://www.chess.com/daily/game/30454534 36.Nxf7+ is my favorite chess memory of all time. It felt good to play it, the board just felt alive.

Hey HM, you've actually got it set so people can't add you in your settings. I created an account but I actually get intermittent lag which makes blitz unplayable, they actually seem to have a really screwy interface there. I have no problems on lichess.org & I'm on there as wobbly. I also confirmed I play pretty terrible 3 minute chess

wobbly September 14, 2019 19:52

Does anyone know much about the Sicilian Chekhover variation or have a good link to the theory? I recently started playing this & I know what to do in the main-line (4. Qxd4 Nc6) but not how to handle 4. ...a6. So I won this game at the club, but not because I felt I played well, more like I butchered the opening & was losing but won anyway. Somehow I managed to get all my pieces tangled up & had to scramble awkwardly to fix things.

Club game
wobbly vs Black
Sicilian (Chekhover variation)

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Qxd4 a6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Qd3 Nf6 7. Bg5 e6 8. O-O-O h6 9. Bh4 g5 10. Bg3 e5 11. Be2 Be6 12. Kb1 Nb4 13. Qd2 Rc8 14. a3 Nc6 15. Rhe1 Be7 16. Bf1 O-O 17. Ng1 Nh5 18. Nge2 f5 19. exf5 Bxf5 20. Qd5+ Rf7 21. Ne4 Nf6 22. Nxf6+ Bxf6 23. Nc3 Kg7 24. Bc4 Rfc7 25. Ne4 Nd4 26. Rxd4 exd4 27. Bd3 Be5 28. Bxe5+ dxe5 29. Qxe5+ Kg6 30. g4 Bxe4 31. Bxe4+ Kf7 32. Bd5+ Kg6 33. Qf5+ Kg7 34. Re6 Qf8 35. Qe5+ Kg8 36. Re7+ Resigns

judias September 15, 2019 15:05

I do not know sicilian theory (the last time I played one was like 15 years ago and I always played the closed variant) but I would play 5.c4 creating a maroczy structure. The dame is not well placed in d4 (but hey, it is never well placed there in the opening) and a knight should be there, but a6 is also some kind of time loss.
Ag5 seems a good option, in your game h6 and g5 are clear mistakes, his king will never find shelter and if the position opens he will suffer. Once black plays h6 and g5 white´s main problems are f3 knight and g3 bishop, they are quite passive so the priority should be activate them so 11. Nd2 seems strong, in b3 or c4 it will controls better points and you can play at some moment f3 to activate the bishop.

wobbly September 15, 2019 18:34

Thanks. Up until recently I played the closed Sicilian to avoid theory, I've just played it so many times that if I keep playing it I'll go nuts. I still play it occasionally when I feel in the mood, it can be a very fun opening.

Anyway I found a game of Gata Kamsky's in the line & he played 5. Bg5 & plays c4 later on move 8.

Gata Kamsky - Joel Lautier
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1066719

wobbly September 29, 2019 21:41

Well this was hilarious:

me - opponent
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 c5 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Nbxd2 Qa5 7. b4 cxb4 8. Nb3 Qa4 9. Nfd2 bxa3 10. e4 d5 11. e5 Ne4 12. Nxe4 dxe4 13. Qb1 Nc6 14. Nc5 Qa5+ 15. Kd1 Nxd4 16. Nxe4 O-O 17. Bd3 Rd8 18. f4 Nf5 19. g4 Ne3+ 20. Ke2 Nxg4 21. Rg1 h5 22. h3 Nxe5 23. fxe5 Qxe5 24. Rg5 f5 25. Qg1 Qb2+ 26. Nd2 a6 27. Rd1 b5 28. Qg2 Ra7 29. Qf3 bxc4 30. Bxc4 Rc7 31. Bd3 a2 32. Qf4 e5 33. Bc4+ Kf8 34. Rxf5+ Bxf5 35. Qxf5+ Ke8 36. Qg6+ Ke7 37. Qe6+ Kf8 38. Rf1+ Resigns

Stockfish evaluates the position as -10 before 32. ...e5 & +5 afterwards. So that innocent pawn move is around the equivalent of blundering 2 queens in 1 move.

Derakon September 29, 2019 21:53

Y'all might find this video on bad Chess AIs to be amusing.

kevin16cun October 4, 2019 17:23

I always play Chesstime on my tablet. If anyone knows a better game for Android tell me please.

KarlM October 5, 2019 00:30

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Originally Posted by kevin16cun (Post 140345)
I always play Chesstime on my tablet. If anyone knows a better game for Android tell me please.

Against an engine? or with other people?

Options to explore
* Lichess (puzzles, online play, engine play)
* Chess.com (puzzles, online play, engine play) - also has lessons
* Droidfish (play specifically against stockfish - like the other apps, you can set the difficulty, time controls, etc)

higi82 October 10, 2019 16:43

Also play Chesstime, is a good game. has good players online.


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