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buzzkill November 8, 2008 01:04

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Originally Posted by Big Al (Post 11371)
Also just thought of another idea: a series of mini-competitions that last only a few days or a week each. The point of these would be to accomplish some specific task: for example they would be given a savefile with a certain unique on the level, and you have to kill that unique in the fewest turns. Or you need to retrieve a certain item from a vault. The players would be limited to the kit they are given (or can find on the level), because they wouldn't be allowed to leave the level. Perhaps give them an odd set of equipment and make the players deal with what they have. Would this be fun?

I like it, but I don't know how many others will. I think that the simple fact that you can't scum will irritate quite a few.
Upon reading your post, I immediately thought of Worms (Worms 2/Armageddon), the PC game (which I happen to play a lot). It's a slightly different take on your idea, but I frequently limit commonly used weapons, and power-up the lesser used, so that I will be forced to learn how to play, and win, the game without them. Else I would have to take the time to build a more familiar kit. Without the luxury of time, in this turn count competition, they will likely have to use the starting kit to some degree.

This is the problem I forsee. Given that you are not allowed to leave the level, the game becomes very static and a lot less random, and random dungeon generation is the very heart of Angband. A great deal could be learned from your early failed/sucessful attempts because the dungeon design and creature/object placement wouldn't change from game to game.

Djabanete November 8, 2008 02:20

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Originally Posted by Big Al (Post 11371)
Also just thought of another idea: a series of mini-competitions that last only a few days or a week each. The point of these would be to accomplish some specific task: for example they would be given a savefile with a certain unique on the level, and you have to kill that unique in the fewest turns. Or you need to retrieve a certain item from a vault. The players would be limited to the kit they are given (or can find on the level), because they wouldn't be allowed to leave the level. Perhaps give them an odd set of equipment and make the players deal with what they have. Would this be fun? Thoughts?

That sounds awesome. Bounty hunting and vault cracking --- good times.

Nick November 8, 2008 02:43

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Originally Posted by Bandobras (Post 11367)
Why such a cheesy race? I'd prefer a Hobbit, for example.

There are no cheesy races in O - HE is just slightly less suicidal :)

Also, I used a FA Hobbit Priest in a recent comp and everyone just died horribly - Hobbits really are challenge characters in O (as are Shadow Fairies :mad:).

Nick November 8, 2008 03:05

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Originally Posted by awldune (Post 11361)
I have always been interested to try a competition, but am discouraged by all the unfamiliar variants.

What if each month there were a V competition and also another one with a variant that changes every time?

I'll see how it all progresses. I think I'll probably go back to a comp per month soon (although I'll keep the current one at two months); I don't know about multiple comps at once, but I think making sure there's a V comp at least 1 in 3 months is probably a good thing to aim for.

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Out of curiosity, how are the savefiles created?

It would be handy if we knew a way to hack the savefile to turn off the "cheater" bit so that Wizard mode could be used.
Someone just creates a character, sometimes plays it for a bit, then sends it in.

This has been done before (Eddie Grove made a hobbit warrior with a perma-cursed Sting wielded), and may be done again, as it was popular. I would certainly be able to create such a thing, or turn off the cheat bit if someone sent me a wizard mode savefile.

Psi November 11, 2008 10:44

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Originally Posted by pav (Post 11340)
I like the competition-centric mini ladder idea!

pav - love the new comp mini ladder. One request, can there be a sortable column for last updated (which is the submitted date if no updates)? As they don't appear on the homepage I have no quick way of checking for updates. Thanks!

Si

pav November 11, 2008 11:09

Yeah, I don't know why I went with 'submitted' instead of 'updated', in the first place. So, fixed :>

Nick November 11, 2008 11:21

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Originally Posted by Psi (Post 11491)
One request, can there be a sortable column for last updated

:D (none of them sort for me)

pav November 11, 2008 11:23

Click the View full listings below the table first. Then they will sort :)

Psi November 11, 2008 11:35

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Originally Posted by pav (Post 11495)
Yeah, I don't know why I went with 'submitted' instead of 'updated', in the first place. So, fixed :>

Thanks very much pav... however something is still a little awry. When I sort on that column, it doesn't actually sort properly:

Code:

5 Harry II High-Elf Assassin 18 4,198 156,857 3 comments new 11.11.2008 07:59 new Psi
4 Harry II High-Elf Assassin 20 8,506 219,150 1 comment new 10.11.2008 22:39 new Seany C
8 Harry the wimp High-Elf Assassin 10 2,457 114,603 2 comments new 10.11.2008 21:26 new Bandobras
11 Harry High-Elf Assassin 12 2,493 146,255 4 comments new 11.11.2008 01:42 updated Bandobras
1 Harry V High-Elf Assassin 25 27,784 341,967 5 comments new 11.11.2008 11:12 updated Nick
2 Harry High-Elf Assassin 20 8,212 163,454 4 comments new 10.11.2008 13:09 updated Psi
10 Harald High-Elf Assassin 16 2,753 151,640 3 comments new 10.11.2008 21:57 updated petebull
6 Harry High-Elf Assassin 19 5,428 205,950 2 comments new 10.11.2008 22:01 updated Donald Jonker
3 Harry High-Elf Assassin 21 10,056 220,837 6 comments 9.11.2008 12:29 Nick
9 Hareth High-Elf Assassin 15 1,898 100,353 4 comments 9.11.2008 05:19 antoine.from.rgrd@gmail.com
7 Harry High-Elf Assassin 16 2,717 112,083 4 comments 9.11.2008 04:22 Aristobulus

I get those two 10.11.2008 in between the 11.11.2008s ...?

pav November 11, 2008 12:54

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Originally Posted by Psi (Post 11499)
I get those two 10.11.2008 in between the 11.11.2008s ...?

My fault. Try now.


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