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Neigeden January 10, 2021 03:16

DSM at dlv 18?
I just found Red Dragon Scale Mail (-2) [24, +29] <+2, +1> {??} at dlv 18 with a level feeling of just 3‽ I think it's Dwarven (it has +2 to Str and Con and +1 to infra) but I forget what else Dwarven egos have.

This just confirms to me that level feelings are not worth paying too much attention to, but it makes me wonder whether I understand how the feelings work, or whether DSM is more common than I thought at lower levels.


LordRotharoth January 10, 2021 03:47

I don't really feel as if it's that rare, especially because it's just red and not something super op like Multi-hued dragon scale mail. I think it's pretty normal to find Red/green/blue scale mails that low although, maybe not because idrk

Neigeden January 10, 2021 04:13

But Dwarven(I think) DSM with such a low LF?

LordRotharoth January 10, 2021 04:17

I suppose, it being dwarven makes it a bit more uncommon, being on DSM. But I still think the only weird thing about finding it that low is that it was on a 3 LF :/

Sideways January 10, 2021 04:22

Was it a floor item or a monster drop?

Red dragon scale mail is native to DL 40 and below, and so is the (Dwarven) DSM ego; but Vanilla Angband is very happy to generate stuff out of depth.

Neigeden January 10, 2021 04:26

It was lying on the floor. I almost left the level before seeing it, thank you object detection spell!

Selkie January 10, 2021 08:46

I've seen craftsmanship, stealth, speed and artifact DSM but I've never seen Dwarven DSM.

At 18 that would definitely trigger more than a 3. Must have been a monster drop.

Please can you screenshot the DSM so we can see it, and also see how it dropped?

Dwarven also has a CON bonus

Sphara January 10, 2021 09:45

Yeah, this item should trigger higher treasure feeling than 3 at DL18.
Post a screenshot from the item description. If it reads "it was lying on a floor..", there's something wrong.

Otherwise, congrats for the great find. Free action, 53 AC, str+con bonus, infravision and powerful fire attack all in one package.

Neigeden January 10, 2021 09:56

Oops, yeah it was a monster drop; I could have sworn otherwise, either it died off-screen or I was on mental autopilot (dangerous). It was dropped by a black ogre, which still seems a bit unlikely but not as strange for sure

Selkie January 10, 2021 10:11


Originally Posted by Neigeden (Post 150529)
Oops, yeah it was a monster drop; I could have sworn otherwise

I called it.

Level feelings aren't always helpful for a character but they are at least consistent.

So is it really dwarven?

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