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Narvius May 21, 2008 22:44

If open-source is that awesome, it's even more obvious that they have some important reason *not* to publish the code.


Originally Posted by Bandobras (Post 8248)
What I'm really biting you about is your choice of words, but if you don't get it, it can be more than words...

Uh... I've got no idea what you're talking about. Did I say something offensive?

Bandobras May 21, 2008 23:28


Originally Posted by Narvius (Post 8249)
Well, if there are only and absolutely good things about releasing the source [...]

Of course, it's disputable. And it's disputed in enough places to leave it alone here. :)


Originally Posted by Narvius (Post 8249)
[...]But for sure [they] have some reason not to publish it, may it even be the Gollumish My-Precious.

Yes and that's their right, even if it's as awful as jealousy (I don't have the slightest idea about this particular case, no offense to the Dwarf Fortress authors intended). The same as Van Gogh had all the right to hoard or even destroy all his paintings when there were only a few coal or pencil copies of them and not even one color photo (trying to make the analogy as accurate as possible, fortunately he didn't).


Originally Posted by Narvius (Post 8250)
Uh... I've got no idea what you're talking about. Did I say something offensive?

Well, I felt irritated, especially that I hear such things daily as an effect of media corporations' propaganda. You said


Originally Posted by Narvius (Post 8250)
Well, you can't blame someone for wanting to protect their own work... ^.^

and while I agree about Van Gogh or the Dwarf Fortress author's right to do what they please with their work, I felt _my_ rights endangered. I insist I have the right to blame them if they, say, destroyed their masterpieces and I insist I have the right to call the hoarding or (incuring the risk of) destruction by their true name and not 'protecting their work'.

Narvius May 22, 2008 00:01

I meant something like "You can't force them to [stuff]." with that sentence.

Bandobras May 22, 2008 00:27

Oh, OK, then a misunderstanding.

BTW, have you encountered your Unangband store already? :)

Edit: Wood-Elf in a Black Market store, was it? But you must have been late or with a non-trivial explanation, because somehow you've got a bit different setup...

Narvius May 22, 2008 09:21

I have an Un-Shop oO?!
I'm definetaly going to switch to Un again now ^.^

Garrie May 23, 2008 12:08

I really enjoyed DF. For those who don't like waiting for world generation, yes it sucks so be forwarned and go have dinner while it happens.

once you do generate a world, be prepared for a steep learning curve and the included help file is pathetically laid out and incomplete. I learned by playing with the wiki live in the background.

having said all that. how good a computer do you need to get a realistic speed of play? my poor 2.6GHZ P4 leaves me going to sleep in the time it takes for a game day once I get past 50 or so inhabitants. I think it's my graphics (onboard, not a gaming 3d graphics card) but that's why I went looking for a roguelike!

nobody June 9, 2008 18:05

i don't care for simulation games, but if i did i'd totally dig dwarf fortress

Zikke July 2, 2008 20:16

I installed this and waited through the world generation and really tried to figure it out, but I couldn't and deleted the game an hour later :(

Narvius July 2, 2008 23:14

It surely requires a bit more patience than Angband, heck, even than Nethack.

HallucinationMushroom July 3, 2008 06:31

I found the controls too daunting to learn. It looks like a very high quality game so it's my loss I suppose. I would totally play it if I could just talk out loud to the dwarves and they just did what I wanted. Hey you, go fetch water, and you over there, guard the perimeter and shoot any wildlife you see for dinner, and I want you over there, yeah you in the green shirt, get to making ale.

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