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Gwarl October 16, 2019 15:21

Comp 225
 
New competition is up.

We've just done priest and mage, so it's time to stab things for a while, Hobbit Rogue.

DrWho42 October 20, 2019 02:54

good luck with this competition everyone!

DavidMedley October 23, 2019 06:48

Fair Play
 
Questions: Are all the competitions are run on local machines on the honor system? Does no one run a server where the competitions could be conducting with guarantees of fairness? I know there are real-time multiplayer servers, but nothing for single player? Doesn't angband.live do exactly this? Or is the Angband Live interface unsuitable?

Nick October 23, 2019 06:52

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Originally Posted by DavidMedley (Post 140710)
Questions: Are all the competitions are run on local machines on the honor system? Does no one run a server where the competitions could be conducting with guarantees of fairness? I know there are real-time multiplayer servers, but nothing for single player? Doesn't angband.live do exactly this? Or is the Angband Live interface unsuitable?

Historically they were on the honour system, probably because of the lack of of public servers. Angband.live is the first and only single player server I'm aware of. Now that Gwarl is supremo of both angband.live and the competition ... well, you'd have to ask him. Which I guess you just did.

Gwarl October 23, 2019 18:41

I'm reluctant to simply do away with the competition on the oook.cz ladder (of which I am not the master) and force people to play online if they want to participate when there is such a healthy tradition of offline competitions. Such long held habits are not to be so easily broken.

Long term migrating the competition to online-only is certainly part of the masterplan but there are several things to accomplish before I'd want to do that.

DavidMedley October 23, 2019 19:46

Sounds excellent! Is Angband.live open source? I might want to contribute.

ShadowTechnology October 24, 2019 02:21

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Originally Posted by Gwarl (Post 140723)
I'm reluctant to simply do away with the competition on the oook.cz ladder (of which I am not the master) and force people to play online if they want to participate when there is such a healthy tradition of offline competitions. Such long held habits are not to be so easily broken.

Long term migrating the competition to online-only is certainly part of the masterplan but there are several things to accomplish before I'd want to do that.

Hey Qwarl. Let me know when you figure out the whole satellite latency thing.

Gwarl October 24, 2019 15:27

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Originally Posted by ShadowTechnology (Post 140737)
Hey Qwarl. Let me know when you figure out the whole satellite latency thing.

It's really very simple. Once a standalone client capable of playing through an electron interface online and offline is created, since the angband prng is deterministic, a local copy of the savefile begun on the server can be copied to your local drive and played in a local copy of angband. Then you can take moves in advance, and the server can play out the same moves in the same order upon receiving your keystrokes, and occassionally verify that the identical savefile subject to identical moves remains identical between sessions. Then people would watch the isomorphic game on the server subject to the latency, while the game you're actually playing updates on the spot.

Figuring this stuff out isn't that hard, it's all the incremental steps required to build towards it which are.

Gwarl October 24, 2019 15:30

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Originally Posted by DavidMedley (Post 140726)
Sounds excellent! Is Angband.live open source? I might want to contribute.

https://github.com/OwenGHB/angband-webclient/

I should warn you though, most volunteers quickly disappear off the internet after their first contribution; only kt has ever been seen again, and even then sporadically.

Ingwe Ingweron October 24, 2019 18:01

My reason for really wishing for an Angband.live vanilla competition is to learn to get my play to the next level by watching folks like PowerWyrm, Elliptic, Voovus, etc, assuming they would be enticed to play in the comp. :D


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