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Old March 26, 2020, 13:58   #5
protopulse
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Okay, thanks for the replies. I realized there were probably dumps in the ladder using mastery but didn't want to click through every one to see if they were mastery builds. Wish there was a way to search dumps by skills taken or something. I'll go find clouded's dumps. Didn't realize he played with song of mastery.

Also, while you can find out what skills are taken at what depth, you have no idea how that person actually played, especially because you don't know what stats he put his experience into. e.g. if he got both finesse and disguise, you know he put minimal investment into both melee and stealth, but how did he use those? Where else was his experience going into?

I found this dump file by Nivim from 1.2.1-mpa.
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=15719

I don't know what differences are between mpa and 1.2.1 instead of vanilla 1.3.0, but it seems next to impossible to emulate his experience, at least in 1.3.0. He had 4 points in evasion in a dwarf that started with 1 dexterity and 1 strength. One strength! I mean it makes sense to tank other stats for grace since mastery relies on grace, but he had no access to song of mastery until turn 10,914 on 550 ft where he made The Crown of the Overlord (+1) <+2> 2.5 lb. Without being able to watch the replay of the game, even though he comments about how he dealt with the low evasion, it's still hard to imagine how he managed to survive until 550 feet. He had 0 stealth investment. Even with slaying weapons and extra light for trolls, what about the things you can't slay? How did he handle huge packs of easterling warriors?

How does he obtain [+6, 7-13]? Armor that heavy would tank his evasion, not raise it from the 5 he would have if he was naked. For 7 on the low protection end, he would have to had something like helmet is [-1,1d3], mail corslet is (-1)[-3,2d4], boots is [0,1d1], gauntlets is (-1)[0,1d1], shield is [0,1d3], and cloak is [1,1d1]. The mail corslet is usually -3 evasion and the helmet is usually -1 evasion. To have +1 net evasion, he must have had evasion somewhere from his equipment? 4 extra evasion...I know he had a +2 evasion ring, so then mail corslet is (-1)[-2,2d4], and helmet is [0,1d3]? But is [+6,7-13] really enough when you only have 1 dex and 1 str?

People have pulled some insane feats in Sil, but with only the dump file, it's just hard to see how they accomplished it.

Anyways, that aside, maybe after perusing through clouded's dumps it'd make song of mastery builds make more sense.

Haven't found clouded's mastery playthrough but did find Scatha's...so far it does seem you have to couple it with smithing builds. http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=14647 Scatha's file makes a lot more sense to me. I think I can give it a shot.

Here's another from Psi. http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=13491

Nevermind, found clouded's. It wasn't a win so it took me a while to find it. http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=19484

So it does seem like you have low evasion investment to begin with, then use mastery and smithing to supplement it.

What are the main differences between 1.0 versus 1.1 versus 1.2 versus 1.3 versus mpa versions of those? Is there somewhere that lists them? Just noticed clouded mostly played on the earlier versions.
Oh, here's some of them. http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/...il/changes.txt

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