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Old October 23, 2012, 11:53   #1
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[3.4] The gold potion of speed {squelch} was really a monster!

Funny to see a potion mimic appear from nowhere...
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Old October 23, 2012, 12:39   #2
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Who squelches potions of speed?
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Old October 23, 2012, 12:43   #3
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Who squelches potions of speed?
A high-level mage that can't be confused, stunned or blinded maybe. Haste for mages is cheap, and that extra slot in inventory full of books is quite valuable.
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Old October 23, 2012, 12:43   #4
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Who squelches potions of speed?
I used to do that with my Rogues when I hit speed 20+
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Old October 23, 2012, 15:17   #5
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I'll reiterate the offhanded suggestion I made awhile back that mimics should scale the native depth of the item they pretend to be so that they're more tempting targets as you get deeper. Maybe treat them as 5-10 levels OOD when deciding what type they are. This makes thematic sense (after all, they feed by luring adventurers in too close) and also reduces the odds that the player will encounter a squelched mimic.

Of course, potions of speed are native everywhere so that wouldn't help much in this particular situation...
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Old October 23, 2012, 15:56   #6
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I'll reiterate the offhanded suggestion I made awhile back that mimics should scale the native depth of the item they pretend to be so that they're more tempting targets as you get deeper. Maybe treat them as 5-10 levels OOD when deciding what type they are. This makes thematic sense (after all, they feed by luring adventurers in too close) and also reduces the odds that the player will encounter a squelched mimic.

Of course, potions of speed are native everywhere so that wouldn't help much in this particular situation...
Mimics only pretend to be desirable flavors. I think for potions it's Speed, Healing, *Healing, !EXP, Life, and *Enlightenment.
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Old October 23, 2012, 16:08   #7
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Mimics only pretend to be desirable flavors. I think for potions it's Speed, Healing, *Healing, !EXP, Life, and *Enlightenment.
On the one hand, GMTA.

On the other hand, that's kind of a small selection of flavors, isn't it? Toss in Augmentation and the stat-gain potions at least IMO. If mimics can pretend to be stacks of potions, then CSW and CCW should be valid targets as well.
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I think we're hitting the limits of what it is feasible to deal with here. I cant see any way to guarantee non-squelched mimics in all cases.

What if the player squelches *all* potions? (Ok, unlikely, but given some of the folks around here I could well imagine someone squelching all scrolls as part of an 'illiterate' run)
What if the player squelches the mimics specific flavor after detecting it?

Hmm. Apparently if you see a mimic as opposed to detecting it, and you duck out of sight and squelch its object type, it will immediately vanish. Whereas if you do the same thing with an actual object it will wait until you get into LOS again.

So if you really really really try hard (and swear off using detect objects), you can detect mimics by abusing squelch settings.
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I think we're hitting the limits of what it is feasible to deal with here. I cant see any way to guarantee non-squelched mimics in all cases.
Certainly not, and that wasn't the goal.

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Hmm. Apparently if you see a mimic as opposed to detecting it, and you duck out of sight and squelch its object type, it will immediately vanish. Whereas if you do the same thing with an actual object it will wait until you get into LOS again.
Ugh. Okay, another squelch bug then, I guess.
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On the one hand, GMTA.

On the other hand, that's kind of a small selection of flavors, isn't it? Toss in Augmentation and the stat-gain potions at least IMO. If mimics can pretend to be stacks of potions, then CSW and CCW should be valid targets as well.
This may be faulty memory, but I seem to remembering screaming in anguish whenever an !Augmentation turned out to be a mimic. Are we sure they're not already doing this?
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