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Old November 11, 2011, 23:29   #1
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Is this just really bad luck?

I'm currently playing a Dwarf Priest in Vanilla 3.2.0. Level 30ish (at dungeon level 41), and I've yet to find a single +speed item (other than the usual Rings of Teleportation and Escaping). No rings, no boots, nada. No artifacts at all either.

Since normal gameplay isn't enough, I've also crudely hacked generate.c to generate pits and vaults on every level. Even the vaults (well, the ones that I can take on at +0 speed) contain very few ego items, and not powerful ones. The best thing I've found so far is a Metal Cap of Telepathy - which is nice, but doesn't help me take on Uvatha the Horsemen when he makes an appearance.

Granted that I'm coming from T2, with artifacts falling out of traps and stuff, this seems a bit odd.

NB: I am playing with randarts on, maybe that has something to do with it?
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Old November 12, 2011, 00:51   #2
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That's actually absolutely normal. You shouldn't be finding any speed items that early.
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Old November 12, 2011, 01:10   #3
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I'm currently playing a Dwarf Priest in Vanilla 3.2.0. Level 30ish (at dungeon level 41), and I've yet to find a single +speed item (other than the usual Rings of Teleportation and Escaping). No rings, no boots, nada. No artifacts at all either.

Since normal gameplay isn't enough, I've also crudely hacked generate.c to generate pits and vaults on every level. Even the vaults (well, the ones that I can take on at +0 speed) contain very few ego items, and not powerful ones. The best thing I've found so far is a Metal Cap of Telepathy - which is nice, but doesn't help me take on Uvatha the Horsemen when he makes an appearance.

Granted that I'm coming from T2, with artifacts falling out of traps and stuff, this seems a bit odd.

NB: I am playing with randarts on, maybe that has something to do with it?
I had to use hit and run tactics for quite awhile until I finally started to find some good items. Really I just dove as quick as I could until I found speed rings and items.
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Old November 12, 2011, 01:39   #4
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That's actually absolutely normal. You shouldn't be finding any speed items that early.
Ah okay... And of course all the pits and stuff will make things harder if speed items are depth dependent. Thanks.
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Old November 12, 2011, 17:23   #5
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That's actually absolutely normal. You shouldn't be finding any speed items that early.
...except those that temporarily haste you: potions of speed and staves of speed. If you haven't seen even those then there is something wrong. Otherwise, normal.
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I hadn't found any temporary speed items either, actually...
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Old November 12, 2011, 17:31   #7
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I hadn't found any temporary speed items either, actually...
That is not normal. Potions of speed should be very common, and staves are relatively common.
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Old November 12, 2011, 19:31   #8
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That is not normal. Potions of speed should be very common, and staves are relatively common.
Aren't potions only common early, then become harder to find? and I never found staffs to be 'relatively common' at 41, maybe 50's, 60's.
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Old November 12, 2011, 20:11   #9
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Aren't potions only common early, then become harder to find?
Yes, but not so rare that you don't find any at all. There should be some potions every now and then at any level in the dungeon. Only reason they get less common is that there are a lot more possible items at deeper levels than early levels, there is no change of the rarity of those potions (at least they used to be rather common).
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Yes, but not so rare that you don't find any at all. There should be some potions every now and then at any level in the dungeon. Only reason they get less common is that there are a lot more possible items at deeper levels than early levels, there is no change of the rarity of those potions (at least they used to be rather common).
If you dive very quickly through the first ten or twenty dlevs, you can quite easily not find any. Then, as you say, they get a lot rarer because so many other things can drop. I have had whole games without !speed.
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