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Old February 17, 2011, 09:33   #1
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Kelek's Grimoire of Power

Quick couple questions about the spell books. Pretty new to Angband so sorry if these are newbie questions.

First, do different books have different drop rates? Im past dungeon level 60 and I think ive found at least 10 of each book type except I still havent even found one of Kelek's. I even found 4 Raal's on one level just earlier today, but no Kelek's, not even in the black market.

Also, is there a dungeon level I shouldnt go past until I get it? I can imagine that being able to mass banish against summoning uniques and banishing annoying monster types would be extremely useful, not to mention having the strongest spells in the game. Should I just keep diving and hope for the best?

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Old February 17, 2011, 09:52   #2
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That's just bad luck I suppose. Kelek's shouldn't be rarer than Raal's, but the RNG may have its fun pretending so.
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Old February 17, 2011, 10:20   #3
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Depth of Kelek's

Kelek's is found at a deeper depth than the other mage spell books; its depth range starts at 4000', while the other books start from between 2000' (Resistances) and 3500' (Tenser's). Raal's depth range starts from 2500', which is why you've found so many of them.

If you're willing to read spoilers, all this can be found here.
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Old February 17, 2011, 10:26   #4
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That's just bad luck I suppose. Kelek's shouldn't be rarer than Raal's, but the RNG may have its fun pretending so.
Kelek's is dlvl 80 item, so at dlvl 60 it needs to pass 20 level OoD check. Tenser is also dlvl 70 item, so it too needs to pass OoD check to be generated but it is a lot more probable to be generated in LV at dlvl 60 (usual diagonal LV is full of 7 level OoD places).
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Old February 17, 2011, 11:38   #5
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That's right, but Raal's Level 100, so getting four of that instead of even one Kelek's is still bad luck. (And Raal's is rarity 4, Kelek's only 1)

*looking up*
Kelek's was 60 - or has that been changed?

Tenser's is 80.
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Old February 17, 2011, 12:11   #6
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That's right, but Raal's Level 100, so getting four of that instead of even one Kelek's is still bad luck. (And Raal's is rarity 4, Kelek's only 1)

*looking up*
Kelek's was 60 - or has that been changed?

Tenser's is 80.
Form 3.2.0 object.txt:

N:469:[Raal's Tome of Destruction]
G:?:r
I:90:5:0
W:50:0:30:20000
A:30:50 to 100

N:472:[Kelek's Grimoire of Power]
G:?:r
I:90:8:0
W:80:0:30:90000
A:20:80 to 100


So Raal's is dlvl 50 item, and Kelek's dlvl 80 item, rarities 30 and 20 respectively. A:-line is important one.
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Old February 17, 2011, 12:45   #7
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lol thanks guys, that makes a lot more sense now. guess its time to dive deeper then...

Edit: Im pretty impressed with how helpful the Angband community is. I thought the Starcraft community was pretty good, but you guys are awesome!
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Old February 17, 2011, 15:15   #8
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Mondkalb: Raal's used to be the rarest spellbook in the game, but that got changed awhile back, and a good thing too. It helps keep the mage able to play as a pure-mage with attack magic instead of having to switch to archery for awhile simply because the only attack spells available are the same ones he's been using since level 10. Mind, the most powerful spells in Raal's were moved to Kelek's at that time, too, and new spells were invented to take their place.
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i found kelek on floor of dlvl 7 or so while scumming a while ago, 3.20~ ee
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Old February 17, 2011, 15:54   #10
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I wasn't scumming and found Kelek's on the floor at DL11 yesterday (3.2.0).

Too bad I was playing a warrior.
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