Go Back   Angband Forums > Angband > Vanilla

View Poll Results: Did you read 'Silmarillion'?
Yes 24 75.00%
No, not yet 4 12.50%
No, I first time hear about 'Silmarillion' 0 0%
I can not read 4 12.50%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

Thread Tools Display Modes
Old April 7, 2020, 12:01   #1
tangar's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 891
tangar is on a distinguished road
Wink You must read 'Silmarillion' to understand 'Angband'

You must read 'Silmarillion' to understand 'Angband'

I've tried to read Silmarillion several times in the past. But it felt too boring for me, something like a Bible (no offence, guys, but it's boring ) So I've started and dropped it several times over past 20 years since I've become interested in Middle-Earth.

At the same time I've re-read Lord of The Rings something like 15 times; it's one of my favorite books. So I had some knowledge about Middle-Earth anyway.

And now when I've started to work on my variant – and made a decision to make it about my vision on The Fourth Age (and to put together classic lore from Angband, which got a lot of DnD stuff in it) – I've written draft of the storyline.

But actually I've recognized that it's the time. I need to read 'Silmarillion' to have proficiency in polishing my ideas.

So I've started to listen audiobook. Before that I've tried to read 'Silmarillion' from hard copy book and it was.. ok, as I said – boring.

But audiobook was alright actually. Maybe I've just finally matured to be able to enjoy 'Silmarillion, don't know.

Anyway, when it's started it wasn't too great, as I've read the beginning of 'Silmarillion' several times – and yes, it's a Bible. BUT! When it came to the chapter 'Of the Flight of the Noldor' – I got hooked It's really awesome and interesting details which uncover a lot of stuff which I've read so many times in LoTR books. When you meet some similar names which you know from LotR books – you feel the depth and beauty of the Universe from a new angle. After 'Silmarillion' all parts of the puzzle starts to fits.

So instead of estimated 'boring' reading I've got great joy and desire to re-read 'Silmarillion' again.

And… I've understood Nick's design on transforming Vanilla monsters to Tolkien lore. It actually makes sense. But to comprehend it you MUST read Silmarillion. Even if you know LotR by heart – a lot of stuff in new V will be just strange to you. As we all brought up by DnD setting and LotR become part of pop-culture already – we won't get the meaning of Angband game without getting 'soul' of Tolkien lore – 'Silmarillion'. Without completing this puzzle in our heads.

I don't wanna go back to past V monster's argument, it still ambiguous – should we change traditional stuff or not. But at least now I see the point. Why it was made. And I see the beauty of the result – to come closer to the Tolkien world. Without reading Silmarillion, new monsters from V just won't touch any strings in your soul. But if you will read the book – you will understand and you would like these new monsters.

Some tips for people who didn't read 'Silmarillion' yet:

1) to read 'Silmarillion' you should first read 'The Lord of the Rings'. Then read 'Hobbit' (it make sense because LotR will make you hooked to the Universe, while Hobbit could look not too serious if you didn't read LotR before it).

2) While reading LotR – always have Middle-Earth maps nearby, to 'feel' the world. Be calm and patient – even if you didn't remember positions and geography – just try to look at it from time to time; and you will get it some parts of the puzzle eventually.

3) The best way to read 'Silmarillion' for the first time – is the audiobook. Also prepare some maps, especially Beleriand map. You will notice that it's connected to the familiar (as you should have read LotR by far) land on the east. LOOK AT MAPS! With them it will be 100500 times easier to get into 'Silmarillion'. My mistake in old times was that I didn't had any maps and reading was somewhat pointless as it's very hard to imagine positioning and moving characters – story goes through giant expanses of land and waters.

4) Be calm and prepare that the beginning of 'Silmarillion' could be boring. BUT at a certain moment you will be hooked, guaranteed! That's why it's better to listen audiobook – even if you are bored at the beginning (and may have lack of will to continue reading) – audiobook will make you through like a Great Eagle


'Silmarillion' is a preliminary requirement to play modern Angband, to be able to enjoy it. Maybe it's a good idea to write about it somewhere at Angband website or in the guide. Without reading it, you won't get the 'feel' of this game entirely. I've played TomeNET (based at V 3.x) for long years and for me Angband lore concentrated in that version (which had also Z&Cth stuff as it's part of TomeNET). DnD is common and easy to understand; while to get 'taste' of recent Angband stuff you are obliged to make some effort and to read the Book (no worries, you will enjoy it eventually! )

That's my story. I'm still didn't finish with 'Silmarillion', a lot of joy ahead! This book gave me a lot of thoughts and it will help me to polish my variant story (it's raw like a gollum's fish).

Hope to see your feedback Tell your story – when did you read 'Silmarillion' and how did you came to it? Did you make it from the first attempt? Do you plan to read it in future? Do you prefer a hard copy or audiobook?

I just thought that it will be fun to buy a map of Arda, to put it on the wall
__________________ - Angband multiplayer variant - Angband variants table - my website ⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽⍽ My chars @ — streams in English ⍽ — streams in Russian
tangar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 7, 2020, 12:10   #2
Vanilla maintainer
Nick's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Canberra, Australia
Age: 56
Posts: 9,170
Donated: $60
Nick will become famous soon enoughNick will become famous soon enough
I was looking for the "I have read all the volumes of Christopher Tolkien's 'History of Middle-Earth' more than once" option
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
Nick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 7, 2020, 12:44   #3
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,954
Estie is on a distinguished road
Thats all very nice but isnt this going to end with a C+D letter by whoever owns the rights ?
Estie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 7, 2020, 13:04   #4
Sphara's Avatar
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Finland
Posts: 453
Sphara is on a distinguished road
I knew there was a book called Silmarillion by the time I first beat Angband. Hadn't read Tolkien at all. All my knowledge was based on Ralph Bakshi's LoTR movie (which fell incomplete).
I've read both since. It was fun bumping into characters I'd seen in this game.
Sphara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 7, 2020, 13:15   #5
Pete Mack
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 6,594
Donated: $40
Pete Mack is on a distinguished road
It isn't commercial, and it has a tiny fan base consisting largely of people who have read all the books. Probably in the same category as fanfic, from the estate's POV.
Pete Mack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 7, 2020, 13:15   #6
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Donetsk
Age: 25
Posts: 40
EugeneLesnov is on a distinguished road
Huh, I read Silmarillion for few times just to understand Angband better;
After second read I realized that I'm really hooked in

All I want is to see Angband even more "Tolkienized" than it is
EugeneLesnov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 7, 2020, 15:02   #7
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: London
Posts: 156
Voovus is on a distinguished road
Originally Posted by tangar View Post
Some tips for people who didn't read 'Silmarillion' yet:
Sadly, it's more complicated than that. What you really somehow need to do is restart life, read "The Hobbit" at age eight or nine, read LoTR in your early teens, and only then pick up the Silmarillion a few years later.
Voovus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 7, 2020, 16:16   #8
Monkey Face
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 238
Monkey Face is on a distinguished road
Originally Posted by Nick View Post
I was looking for the "I have read all the volumes of Christopher Tolkien's 'History of Middle-Earth' more than once" option
I guess I need to start rereading the History of Middle-Earth (although given how much repetition there is within the books and with the official cannon, reading them the first time frequently felt like rereading).
Monkey Face is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 7, 2020, 16:44   #9
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 1,004
DavidMedley is on a distinguished road
I love the Silmarillion. I love the "boring" chapters. I love the epic histories. I love the more character-centric parts. I like the Silmarillion a lot more than LotR. I think an adult should read Sil first, then LotR. But I think Tolkien made this mistake, from an accessibility point of view: He should have started in media res and used some wise old narrator to tell the old tales when they come to have relevance on the story at hand. Or just mixed the chapters up to not be chronological.

My GF recently wanted to read LotR, and I insisted she start with Sil. I don't think she had any interest in it at all until Thingol met Melian. That scene captured her imagination.
DavidMedley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 8, 2020, 00:30   #10
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: London-ish
Age: 49
Posts: 2,064
Sky is on a distinguished road

no srsly tho the silmarillion is boring
"i can take this dracolich"
Sky is offline   Reply With Quote

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Silmarillion Audiobook Read By Martin Shaw DavidMedley Idle chatter 2 March 30, 2020 09:18
Reading Silmarillion Bowman Idle chatter 53 January 29, 2016 21:20
The Angband FAQ - if you are new, please read this first Magnate Vanilla 0 August 8, 2011 15:27
Trying to understand the Angband 3.X source code nppangband Development 62 July 11, 2010 19:20
Trying to understand Ranger playing mechanics dormouse Vanilla 5 December 15, 2009 12:43

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 13:46.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.