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Old March 7, 2021, 07:28   #1
Neigeden
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Tips for the Endgame?

I recently came face to face with Morgoth for the first time, and quickly met an unceremonious demise. My first question is: how do I prise a silmaril from Morgy's crown? I managed to knock the crown off his head after a few solid melee blows, but I got the message that I couldn't lift the crown and died soon thereafter.

My second question is about whether I was really well enough prepared to enter the throne room. I had been wandering around 800'-950' and could deal with most enemies without much difficulty. Here's the character dump; feel free to point out obvious oversights, any advice is welcome. Thanks!

PS Is it just me, or is Tevildo a bit of a pushover?

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  [Sil-Q 1.4.2 Character Dump]

 Name   Elduin        Age    3,315       Str   6 =  2  +1      +3
 Race   Noldor        Height  6'10       Dex   6 =  5  +1  -1  +1
 House  Feanor        Weight   166       Con   7 =  4          +3
                                         Gra   3

 Game Turn   19,693   Melee (+22,2d15)   Melee       22 = 16  +6
 Exp Pool     1,588   Bows   (+18,2d7)   Archery     18 = 10  +6  +1  +1
 Total Exp   70,638   Armor [+27,6-17]   Evasion     27 = 15  +6  +6
 Burden       124.6                      Stealth      8 =  6  +6      -4
 Max Burden   298.4   Health     -1:71   Perception  11 =  8  +3
 Depth         1000'  Voice      24:34   Will        12 =  9  +3
 Min Depth     1000'  Song  Staunching   Smithing    11 =  7  +3      +1
 Light Radius     3                      Song        10 =  6  +3      +1

 You are one of two children of a smith from the house of Feanor. You
 have light grey eyes, straight black hair, and a fair complexion.






  [Last Messages]

> The Ancient emerald serpent breathes poisonous gas.
> You have been poisoned.
> The Ancient adamant serpent misses you.
> Morgoth, Lord of Darkness sings of locks without keys.
> You hear a door slam shut.
> You hear a 'click'.
> You hear a door slam shut.
> You hear a 'click'.
> Morgoth, Lord of Darkness hits you.
> You hear a door burst open!
> The Ancient adamant serpent bites you.
> Morgoth, Lord of Darkness sings of thralls.
> You hear a door slam shut.
> Morgoth, Lord of Darkness hits you.
> You die.


  [Screenshot]

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  [Equipment]

a) The Glaive 'Celebrist' (+0,2d10) [+2] <+1> 5.0 lb
   It increases your dexterity by 1.  It decreases your 
   constitution by 1.  It grants you freedom of movement.  It
   cannot be harmed by the elements.  It requires both hands to
   wield it properly.  It counts as a type of polearm.  
b) a Longbow of the Marchwardens (+1,2d4) 3.0 lb
   It provides resistance to fear.  It grants you the ability to
   see invisible creatures.  It can shoot arrows 20 squares
   (with your current strength).
c) a Sapphire Ring of Strength <+1>
   It increases your strength by 1.  It sustains your strength.  
   
d) a Topaz Ring of Frost
   It provides resistance to fire.  
e) a Sea Shell Amulet of Constitution <+1>
   It increases your constitution by 1.  It sustains your 
   constitution.  
f) a Feanorian Lamp of Brightness
   It burns brightly, increasing your light radius by an
   additional square.  
g) a Mithril Corslet of Venom's End [-1,2d4]
   It provides resistance to poison.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  
h) a Shadow Cloak of Warmth [+3] <+2>
   It improves your stealth by 2.  It provides resistance to 
   cold.  It creates an unnatural darkness.  
i) (nothing)
j) a Helm of True Sight [+0,1d3]
   It provides resistance to blindness and hallucination.  It
   grants you the ability to see invisible creatures.  
k) a Set of Gauntlets of Swordplay [+0,1d2]
   It grants you the ability: Parry.  
l) a Pair of Boots of Speed [+0,1d2]
   It grants you the ability: Sprinting.  
m) 59 Arrows
   They can be shot 20 squares (with your current strength and bow).
n) 10 Arrows of Gondolin
   They slay orcs and trolls.  They can be shot 20 squares (with
   your current strength and bow).


  [Inventory]

a) 2 Yellow Herbs of Sustenance
b) a Dark Green Herb of Healing
c) 6 Clear Potions of Miruvor
d) 3 Bright Orange Potions of Clarity
e) 5 Azure Potions of Healing
f) 7 Pale Green Potions of Antidote
g) 5 Crimson Potions of Quickness
h) 8 Yellow Potions of Elemental Resistance
i) 3 Brown Potions of Strength
j) 4 Emerald Potions of Dexterity
k) a Vermilion Potion of Constitution
l) an Ebony Staff of Light (5 charges)
m) a Silver Staff of Foes (4 charges)
n) a Golden Staff of Majesty (6 charges)
o) a Garnet Ring of Free Action
   It grants you freedom of movement.  
p) The Hauberk of Amon Rudh (-1) [-4,2d6]
   It cannot be harmed by the elements.  It grants you the
   ability: Critical Resistance.  
q) a Mithril Shield of Frost [+0,1d6]
   It provides resistance to fire.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  
r) a Mithril Helm of Clarity [+0,1d3]
   It provides resistance to confusion, stunning, and 
   hallucination.  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
s) a Mithril Helm of True Sight [-1,1d3]
   It provides resistance to blindness and hallucination.  It
   grants you the ability to see invisible creatures.  It cannot
   be harmed by the elements.  
t) The Dagger of Nargil (+5,1d5) {@w3!d!v} 0.5 lb
   It cuts easily through armour.  It can be thrown effectively
   (20 squares).  It cannot be harmed by the elements.  
u) a Mithril Longsword of Nargothrond (+1,2d6) [+1] {@w2!d} 2.0 lb
   It slays dragons and raukar.  It cannot be harmed by the
   elements.  
v) a Mattock of Belegost (-5,5d3) <+3> 8.0 lb
   It improves your tunneling by 3.  It requires both hands to
   wield it properly.  


  [Abilities]

Finesse
Charge
Smite
Puncture
Dexterity
Dodging
Flanking
Controlled Retreat
Disguise
Exchange Places
Keen Senses
Alchemy
Rauko-Bane
Listen
Inner Light
Indomitable
Hardiness
Critical Resistance
Weaponsmith
Armoursmith
Jeweller
Enchantment
Song of Elbereth
Song of Staunching


  [Enemies]

 19 / 19  Wolf                                    
 10 / 11  Tanglethorn                             
  1 /  1  Orc                                     
  3 /  3  Grimhawk                                
  3 /  5  Mewlip                                  
  5 /  8  Orc scout                               
 11 / 11  Spider hatchling                        
  4 /  4  Blue serpent                            
 14 / 18  Orc soldier                             
  3 /  5  Madthorn                                
  4 /  4  Gorcrow                                 
  1 /  1  Brood spider                            
 18 / 19  Orc archer                              
 14 / 14  White wolf                              
  4 /  4  Red serpent                             
  (slain) Gorgol, the Butcher 
 14 / 19  Orc warrior                             
  1 /  1  Sword spider                            
  7 /  7  Crebain                                 
  3 /  5  Orc thief                               
  2 /  2  Nightthorn                              
  8 /  8  Mountain troll                          
  1 /  1  Tattered wight                          
  (slain) Boldog, the Merciless 
  5 / 11  Orc champion                            
 10 / 10  Easterling warrior                      
  2 /  4  Hummerhorn                              
  0 /  3  Orc captain                             
 31 / 32  Warg                                    
  5 /  6  Grave wight                             
  3 /  4  Dark serpent                            
  5 /  5  Whispering shadow                       
  6 /  6  Distended spider                        
  8 /  9  Easterling archer                       
  2 /  2  Twisted bat                             
  8 / 10  Snow troll                              
  4 /  4  Lurking horror                          
  9 / 10  Giant                                   
  6 /  6  Easterling spy                          
  4 /  5  Shadow bat                              
  7 /  9  Sulrauko                                
  7 /  7  Fire-drake hatchling                    
  (slain) Ulfang the Black 
  4 /  4  Werewolf                                
 12 / 13  Shadow spider                           
  3 /  5  Sapphire serpent                        
  (slain) Gilim, the Giant of Eruman 
  1 /  1  Ruby serpent                            
  1 /  2  Creeping horror                         
 11 / 15  Ringrauko                               
  (seen)  Delthaur, Balrog of Terror 
  (slain) Nan, the Giant 
 16 / 16  Cave troll                              
  1 /  1  Emerald serpent                         
  2 /  2  Oathwraith                              
 24 / 33  Cat warrior                             
 10 / 10  Amethyst serpent                        
 10 / 15  Kemenrauko                              
 11 / 11  Grotesque                               
  3 /  4  Young cold-drake                        
  (slain) Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow 
 12 / 14  Spider of Gorgoroth                     
 23 / 31  Greater werewolf                        
  2 /  2  Adamant serpent                         
  2 /  4  Lesser vampire                          
 10 / 12  Cat assassin                            
  (slain) Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo 
  6 /  8  Young fire-drake                        
 10 / 10  Darting horror                          
 10 / 17  Unmourned                               
 39 / 45  Ururauko                                
  (slain) Tevildo, Prince of Cats 
  (slain) Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts 
  2 /  2  Ancient sapphire serpent                
 34 / 52  Troll guard                             
  9 / 12  Vampire                                 
  0 /  4  Nameless thing                          
  4 /  5  Ancient ruby serpent                    
  2 /  4  Great cold-drake                        
  0 /  2  Silent watcher                          
  7 /  9  Gwathrauko                              
  (seen)  Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame 
  1 /  4  Ancient spider                          
  2 /  4  Ancient emerald serpent                 
  1 /  2  Vampire lord                            
  3 /  3  Hithrauko                               
  0 /  2  Ancient adamant serpent                 
  0 /  1  Unrelenting horror                      
  (seen)  Ungoliant, the Gloomweaver 
  (seen)  Morgoth, Lord of Darkness 


  [Artefacts]

The Robe of Aredhel (found)
The Mail Corslet of Fingon 
The Hauberk of Amon Rudh (found)
The Mail Corslet of Gundor (found)
The Dagger of Nargil (found)
The Dagger 'Angrist' 
The Shortsword of Amrod (found)
The Longsword 'Narsil' 
The Greatsword 'Glend' (found)
The Spear of Boldog (found)
The Great Axe 'Mazarbulbark' (found)
The Glaive 'Celebrist' (found)
The Cloak of Thingol 
The Pair of Boots of Finrod 
The Pair of Greaves of the Helcaraxe 
The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth (found)


  [Notes]

Elduin of the Noldor
Entered Angband on 5 Mar 2021

   Turn     Depth   Note

    661    100 ft   (Armoursmith)
    661    100 ft   (Enchantment)
    760    100 ft   Made a Pair of Boots of Speed [+0,1d2]  2.0 lb
    851    100 ft   Made a Mail Corslet of Venom's End (-1) [-3,2d4]  18.0 
                    lb 
    952    100 ft   Made a Helm of Brilliance [-1,1d2]  4.0 lb
  1,702    200 ft   (Charge)
  2,180    250 ft   (Alchemy)
  2,491    250 ft   (Finesse)
  2,800    300 ft   Encountered Boldog, the Merciless
  2,981    300 ft   Slew Boldog, the Merciless
  2,981    300 ft   Found The Spear of Boldog
  3,902    350 ft   Encountered Gorgol, the Butcher
  3,910    350 ft   Slew Gorgol, the Butcher
  3,999    350 ft   (Flanking)
  4,123    350 ft   (Dodging)
  4,715    400 ft   Found The Mail Corslet of Gundor
  5,051    400 ft   (Indomitable)
  5,051    400 ft   (Song of Elbereth)
  5,253    450 ft   (Keen Senses)
  5,353    450 ft   (Disguise)
  5,944    500 ft   (Jeweller)
  6,098    500 ft   Made a Mithril Corslet of Venom's End [-1,2d4]  10.0 lb
  6,252    500 ft   Made a Cloak of Warmth [+2]  1.5 lb
  6,403    500 ft   Made a Mithril Helm of True Sight [-1,1d3]  3.0 lb
  6,571    500 ft   Made a Feanorian Lamp of Brightness  1.0 lb
  6,858    500 ft   Found The Shortsword of Amrod
  8,056    600 ft   (Rauko-Bane)
  8,166    600 ft   Encountered Ulfang the Black
  8,341    600 ft   Slew Ulfang the Black
  8,347    600 ft   Found The Robe of Aredhel
  8,498    600 ft   (Exchange Places)
  9,362    750 ft   (Puncture)
  9,421    850 ft   (Listen)
  9,528    850 ft   (Inner Light)
 10,599    800 ft   Encountered Delthaur, Balrog of Terror
 10,697    700 ft   Encountered Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
 10,766    700 ft   Destroyed Belegwath, Balrog of Shadow
 10,766    700 ft   Found The Great Axe 'Mazarbulbark'
 11,302    700 ft   Encountered Nan, the Giant
 11,409    700 ft   Slew Nan, the Giant
 11,409    700 ft   Found The Greatsword 'Glend'
 11,436    700 ft   (Smite)
 11,587    700 ft   Encountered Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
 11,607    700 ft   Slew Gilim, the Giant of Eruman
 11,642    700 ft   (Weaponsmith)
 11,791    700 ft   Made a Mithril Longsword of Nargothrond (+1,2d6) [+1]  
                    2.0 lb 
 11,959    700 ft   Made a Longbow of the Marchwardens (+1,2d4)  3.0 lb
 12,107    700 ft   Made a Sea Shell Amulet of Constitution <+1>  0.1 lb
 12,299    800 ft   (Song of Staunching)
 13,013    850 ft   Encountered Tevildo, Prince of Cats
 13,013    850 ft   Encountered Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
 13,027    850 ft   Slew Tevildo, Prince of Cats
 13,039    850 ft   Slew Oikeroi, Guard of Tevildo
 14,121    850 ft   Found The Hauberk of Amon Rudh
 14,732    950 ft   Encountered Vallach, Balrog of Sudden Flame
 14,779    950 ft   (Dexterity)
 15,595    950 ft   Found The Dagger of Nargil
 16,012    900 ft   (Controlled Retreat)
 16,465    900 ft   Fell into a chasm
 16,827    850 ft   Found The Glaive 'Celebrist'
 17,304    850 ft   Encountered Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
 17,368    850 ft   Destroyed Turkano, Balrog of the Hosts
 19,393  1,000 ft   Entered Morgoth's throne room
 19,536  1,000 ft   (Hardiness)
 19,536  1,000 ft   (Critical Resistance)
 19,637  1,000 ft   Encountered Ungoliant, the Gloomweaver
 19,647  1,000 ft   Encountered Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
 19,676  1,000 ft   Found The Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth

 19,693  1,000 ft   Slain by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness.
 19,693  1,000 ft   Died on 06 March 2021.




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Old March 7, 2021, 09:19   #2
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Looks fine to me. Your will is a little low if you only have 1 source of free action (each is +10). Its "enough" but Morgoth's slowing song can get through that much, so safer to have more.

'k' to prise a sil from the crown. You do get a message but its easy to miss in all the noise.

Tevildo is a common-ish way for me to die, depends how strong you are when you meet him, he's fragile but can crit hard.
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Ah, thanks! I think I had fairly high evasion when I met Tevildo, I guess he just never got a good hit in, but good to know he's not to be trifled with.
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Old March 7, 2021, 13:42   #4
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Just get song of staying and a staff of earthquakes and kill morgy without having to think.

Your xps were a bit low for the throne room, I'd hang around on 1000' till running out of turns which means more will, more evade....

As stated already you use "k" to cut silmarils, note that to successfully do this you need to beat a 10d4 protection roll so bring a big weapon or a sharp weapon or use song of whetting.
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Old March 7, 2021, 19:13   #5
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To escape after prying the Sil you'll need to either have enough AOE/staying power to have emptied the throne room or have Evasion ability Exchange place. After that is the escape itself, which requires another couple specific tools which I won't spoiler for you until you give the word.

Also you are using Song of Staunching. I feel thats not sufficient anymore at D:1000, much prefer Staying for will+armour.
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