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Old November 18, 2021, 17:53   #1
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Stolen items

Just curious whether the items stolen off monsters by rogues are simply items that would otherwise have been dropped by killing said monsters. In other words by ruthlessly pickpocketing everything in sight is there a net gain over killing everything in sight.
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Old November 18, 2021, 20:20   #2
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Just curious whether the items stolen off monsters by rogues are simply items that would otherwise have been dropped by killing said monsters. In other words by ruthlessly pickpocketing everything in sight is there a net gain over killing everything in sight.
Yep, it's just the stuff they would drop. Moreover, if you steal from a unique, even if you don't kill them on that level, they'll have less stuff when you do kill them
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Old November 18, 2021, 22:38   #3
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Yep, it's just the stuff they would drop. Moreover, if you steal from a unique, even if you don't kill them on that level, they'll have less stuff when you do kill them
Nice. I've never tried a rogue--sounds like an interesting change.

One thing Ive always wondered: do level feelings take account of stuff being carried by monsters? It sounds like there is a table of drops that is set up when a level is created. I've often wondered whether the level feeling is only for objects on the ground or if it factors items known to be carried by monsters on the level...

I was given cause to wonder when i got a good level feeling once and a Patriarch on the level dropped a ring of speed I think it was or maybe an artifact. Anyway the point is I had a game crash due to manipulation of inscribed items in my quiver or spell books (an earlier buggier nightly I think) and when I restarted I was on the dungeon level but hadnt yet killed the patriarch. When I re-killed it, it dropped the exact same loot, so I surmised their drops are pre-determined, probably at level creation...
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Speaking of stolen items, why doesn't Smaug DROP_GREAT? The Necklace of the Dwarves was one of the greatest artifacts of Arda.
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Speaking of stolen items, why doesn't Smaug DROP_GREAT? The Necklace of the Dwarves was one of the greatest artifacts of Arda.
Agree. More Tolkienized this way.
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Old November 18, 2021, 23:34   #6
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One thing Ive always wondered: do level feelings take account of stuff being carried by monsters? It sounds like there is a table of drops that is set up when a level is created. I've often wondered whether the level feeling is only for objects on the ground or if it factors items known to be carried by monsters on the level...
The treasure feeling only includes the items that were generated on the floor. The items carried by monsters and what comes from chests or excavating rubble does not count.
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Speaking of stolen items, why doesn't Smaug DROP_GREAT? The Necklace of the Dwarves was one of the greatest artifacts of Arda.
Smaug had the Arkenstone - and the emeralds of Girion - but not the Necklace of the Dwarves, which contained Earendil's silmaril and so went with him at the end of the First Age.

EDIT: He also had Bilbo's mithril shirt, which Belegennon is based on.
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Smaug had the Arkenstone - and the emeralds of Girion - but not the Necklace of the Dwarves, which contained Earendil's silmaril and so went with him at the end of the First Age.

EDIT: He also had Bilbo's mithril shirt, which Belegennon is based on.

Loot drop was very buggy in those days. Smaug was killed in Esgaroth, but all the stuff dropped miles away in Erebor. So not sure we should infer much from the quality of the loot anyway.
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Loot drop was very buggy in those days. Smaug was killed in Esgaroth, but all the stuff dropped miles away in Erebor. So not sure we should infer much from the quality of the loot anyway.
Well, if you read the thread about luring the dragon out of the vault...
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Smaug had the Arkenstone - and the emeralds of Girion - but not the Necklace of the Dwarves, which contained Earendil's silmaril and so went with him at the end of the First Age.

EDIT: He also had Bilbo's mithril shirt, which Belegennon is based on.
Details details :-) :-) I agree with the poster's point though that Smaug accrued GREAT items which would be nicely reflected in game with _DROP GREAT_
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