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Old December 7, 2016, 15:01   #1
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two bugs 4.0.5

bug 1: reproduces always

when you get XP-drained enough to drop a CL, if you drink a RLL you'll restore any drained stats too, as if you had levelled.

bug 2: reproduces occasionally

app crashes without log when using mouse movement.
when i move too fast with mouse clicks, sometimes angband will just crash, no save, no error message.
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Old December 7, 2016, 15:46   #2
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bug 1: reproduces always

when you get XP-drained enough to drop a CL, if you drink a RLL you'll restore any drained stats too, as if you had levelled.
Not a bug, this is intentional.
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Old December 7, 2016, 16:31   #3
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Not a bug, this is intentional.
Has anyone really made a statement on that one way or another? IMO this is a bug; players should not be encouraged to go through a weird song and dance in order to sidestep an important aspect of gameplay (viz. playing with drained stats).

I mean, it's been around for awhile, but that doesn't mean it's not a bug, just that the devs haven't prioritized it.
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@Derakon-the term you are looking for is exploit.
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@Derakon-the term you are looking for is exploit.
Well, maybe. But the thing that bugs me isn't that it's unintended, it's that it encourages this weird little song and dance that isn't itself actually interesting gameplay. Go find a harmless experience drainer, let it beat on you until you lose a level, drink an RLL potion (infinitely available from the temple), and your stats are restored.

In other words, we've replaced townscumming for stat restore potions with townscumming for RLL and finding a weak undead monster. It's arguably an improvement in that most players aren't going to bother, but it should still be fixed. Only get the stat restore the first time you reach a CL.
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^ what he said.
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Please consider the ironman scenario too. Those pots are not so common
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Please consider the ironman scenario too. Those pots are not so common
+1 here. I've been in a lot of ironman games without a way to restore stats for a very long time. I just keep playing, but if someone wants to waste valuable experience and time by draining to restore stats, then let them.
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Please consider the ironman scenario too. Those pots are not so common
You'll live. Ironman is supposed to be hard. Plus, if you're having trouble with a particular stat, you can carry around potions that boost that stat (e.g. Potion of Brawn or Potion of Strength). They restore the stat before they boost it. The +1/-1 potions show up when players are still leveling up quickly, and later when leveling tails off, stat potions start becoming a bit more common to compensate. You'll still have to deal with drained stats for a little while if you don't carry the potions with you, but that shouldn't be the end of the world.

Stat-boost potions are a much more sensible method to deal with drained stats than the RLL dance.
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the drain dance isn't the only - or even the main - scenario. it's just that, if you have been drained, and you restore your XP, you shouldn't ALSO get your stats restored too.
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