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Old October 23, 2021, 15:44   #31
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The constant fear/blindness/confusion spells used by most enemies is really starting to aggravate me...it’s a royal pain and feels like aggravating gameplay. It literally feels like “everything “ casts those same spells...I’ve now found items that provide immunity to most of this, but getting to that point of immunity is very tiresome...I remember a few years ago I experimented with changing the spells of monsters to make them more interesting and realistic....more magic missles, more frost bolts, fire bolts from Mages etc and lightning bolts..some variation instead of every monster casting the same old blind/confusion/fear once you get past those they are practically a cake walk..I would like to see more offensive oriented spells ..many of these enemie spell casters have had the same old same old spells in their repitoire forever.would be nice to see some variation, it is a good amount of work I have did this before...I know I can edit my own copy however I please but I would like to appeal to the masses here and see if anyone else would be interested in changing this.
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I was on the goblin-drums level, and all phase doors and teleports (of either the player or any monster) always placed tha player/monster in the same small area, regardless of how far away it was. At one point ?PhaseDoor summarily tossed me 40 squares so it could land me in that area. Is that supposed to happen?
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Old October 23, 2021, 19:28   #33
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Dropped by an Easterling champion in Arena Town

So stuff I know about it. He either came from a pit or a room next to a pit in Amon Rudh. I was using a weapon that earthquaked. Hmm.. 3rd detail, it was a player ghost level.

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Old October 23, 2021, 21:13   #34
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Recalling to Talath Dirnen 29 didn't plop me on top of the Nargothrond entrance, is that intended behavior or a bug?
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Old October 23, 2021, 21:37   #35
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I was on the goblin-drums level, and all phase doors and teleports (of either the player or any monster) always placed tha player/monster in the same small area, regardless of how far away it was. At one point ?PhaseDoor summarily tossed me 40 squares so it could land me in that area. Is that supposed to happen?
That feels like it ought to be by design, but it isn't. I saw an interesting talk at Roguelike Celebration about how bugs can lead to new features...

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Dropped by an Easterling champion in Arena Town

So stuff I know about it. He either came from a pit or a room next to a pit in Amon Rudh. I was using a weapon that earthquaked. Hmm.. 3rd detail, it was a player ghost level.
Thanks. I believe this is happening when the place of origin fails to be set, so it's just a matter of working out how that can happen.

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Recalling to Talath Dirnen 29 didn't plop me on top of the Nargothrond entrance, is that intended behavior or a bug?
This is intended. It's the always landing on the stairs of Amon Rudh 15 that isn't.
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Old October 23, 2021, 21:47   #36
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The constant fear/blindness/confusion spells used by most enemies is really starting to aggravate me...it’s a royal pain and feels like aggravating gameplay. It literally feels like “everything “ casts those same spells...I’ve now found items that provide immunity to most of this, but getting to that point of immunity is very tiresome...I remember a few years ago I experimented with changing the spells of monsters to make them more interesting and realistic....more magic missles, more frost bolts, fire bolts from Mages etc and lightning bolts..some variation instead of every monster casting the same old blind/confusion/fear once you get past those they are practically a cake walk..I would like to see more offensive oriented spells ..many of these enemie spell casters have had the same old same old spells in their repitoire forever.would be nice to see some variation, it is a good amount of work I have did this before...I know I can edit my own copy however I please but I would like to appeal to the masses here and see if anyone else would be interested in changing this.
The early monsters tend to cast these for two main reasons:
  • Monsters that do a lot of damage at range can be very lethal for early characters and
  • Later on, characters typically do have the protections against blind/confusion/fear, so it's a waste of time for monsters to cast them.

So this really arises naturally. This version of FA is based heavily on version 4.2 of V, which actually did a lot of changes to monsters. When I was doing that I did reconsider each monster's spell list. Of course, there's always a chance that I was just biased (along with those who play-tested it) towards what already existed.
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Old October 24, 2021, 02:47   #37
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The early monsters tend to cast these for two main reasons:
  • Monsters that do a lot of damage at range can be very lethal for early characters and
  • Later on, characters typically do have the protections against blind/confusion/fear, so it's a waste of time for monsters to cast them.

So this really arises naturally. This version of FA is based heavily on version 4.2 of V, which actually did a lot of changes to monsters. When I was doing that I did reconsider each monster's spell list. Of course, there's always a chance that I was just biased (along with those who play-tested it) towards what already existed.
sure i get that, my beef is this however....I shouldn't need an immunity just to progress further in the game, and I know in some cases you need resistance for some things to keep from getting killed. If I am playing a warrior and i reach DL 29 per say and things are tough but im steadily progressing down and I start running into situations to where i cannot progress any farther because i am getting bombarded with scar/terrify spells to where the game just stops and I have to start store scumming to find what i need to move on. My warrior which is dwarven longbeard warrior should not be so easily terrified all the time, you just start chugging potions of heroism/boldness/berserk just to keep moving on in the game. To me this is aggravating gameplay...if a spellcaster can cast scare/bindness/confusion and also some more spellcasting friends that also cast blind/confuse and or terrify then you see what happens here is just pure hell and game stopping until you get the required immunity...I envision these spells to be more rare and scare/terrify only for more powerful beings. If im running a warrior and hes constantly terrifed then the saving throw sucks or hes just a sissy.
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spellcasters that summon friends or appear with friends that are other spellcasters also that have those same similar spells could be the problem here.

also please dont take this as criticism as it is only spirited debate, and my pov...I imagine yourself and the people play testing are pro's. myself a veteran and longtime player but no pro for sure...but i kind of feel like you want to the game to be appealing to new players and to me the constant blind/confuse/terrify and potion chugging heroism and ccw just to keep playing is enough to put the game down.

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This is intended. It's the always landing on the stairs of Amon Rudh 15 that isn't.
And it looks like I've fixed that now.
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