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Old June 11, 2020, 02:42   #1
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Proposal regarding Rangers and Elves

Proposal:
How about if we take away half of the extra shots that Rangers get and give them to elves? In order to get the number of extra shots that Rangers get now, you would need to be an elf.

Alternate Proposal:
Elves get some sort of shot bonus and leave rangers as is.

Rationale:
I have read in older posts (maybe current opinions have changed?):

Ranger can be overpowering

Elves are the hardest races to play

In my mind, I think of Elves being great with bows, so the ranger advantage over elves feels weird. Am I thematically wrong about elves? Or are elves simply considered a "challenge" race in Vanilla Angband?

Have rangers already been nerfed in some way that I'm not aware of? I don't play them all the much, but in roughly 200K standard turns I have not found an artifact bow, but maybe that is something for another post, where I gripe about the cruelty of the RNG...

I'm not sure this would affect other classes all that much, maybe elf warriors would be a bit more effective. Mages and rogues typically defeat Morgoth with wands of annihilation/recharging (at least mine do).

Which elves would this apply to? Elves, half-elves, high-elves? I say all of them, but your mileage may vary

Just thought I would float that proposal out there...
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Old June 11, 2020, 03:30   #2
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Proposal:
How about if we take away half of the extra shots that Rangers get and give them to elves? In order to get the number of extra shots that Rangers get now, you would need to be an elf.

Alternate Proposal:
Elves get some sort of shot bonus and leave rangers as is.

Rationale:
I have read in older posts (maybe current opinions have changed?):

Ranger can be overpowering

Elves are the hardest races to play
Neither of these statements are accurate anymore. See below.

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In my mind, I think of Elves being great with bows, so the ranger advantage over elves feels weird. Am I thematically wrong about elves? Or are elves simply considered a "challenge" race in Vanilla Angband?

Have rangers already been nerfed in some way that I'm not aware of? I don't play them all the much, but in roughly 200K standard turns I have not found an artifact bow, but maybe that is something for another post, where I gripe about the cruelty of the RNG...
Rangers did get nerfed quite a bit with the changes to the classes in 4.2. The extra shot bonus was nerfed to a tenth of what it was, IIRC. It did get some cool spells though, like being able to create arrows from staves.

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I'm not sure this would affect other classes all that much, maybe elf warriors would be a bit more effective. Mages and rogues typically defeat Morgoth with wands of annihilation/recharging (at least mine do).

Which elves would this apply to? Elves, half-elves, high-elves? I say all of them, but your mileage may vary

Just thought I would float that proposal out there...
I'd be ok with certain races getting bonuses like this, hobbits get a bonus for slings, elves for bows, etc. Dunadan should get something too.
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