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Old December 5, 2014, 07:19   #11
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This is fine, but Lanterns of True Seeing have pretty good odds of showing up before you find the Phial, and that is always a letdown. The Phial is a pretty iconic item, and to have it show up only after it is no longer useful is disappointing.

My advice would be to move True Seeing deeper into the dungeon.
Or, how about making the Phial desirable to equip? An artifact of that importance should be better than a plain old enchanted lantern that doesn't need fuel. Why shouldn't *artifact* light sources grant SI, for example?

For example, why not at least give the Phial either a permanent chance to "scare spiders", or at least it's activation a chance to scare evil or scare spiders?
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Old December 5, 2014, 12:07   #12
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The Phial is just too deep and/or too rare. I have had many games where I found it AFTER the Arkenstone and Palantir.
True seeing lanterns are better most of the time, but my warriors used to love the Phial as it allowed them to free an inventory slot for not needing light room device. These days it is _ of Light till 98 more often than not.
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Old December 5, 2014, 12:11   #13
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I think what happens here is that the phial of Galadriel counts as a fairly iconic item because it has a history outside of angband. So people expect it to be a fairly powerful item. However within Angband it is one of the earlies uniques and a pretty weak one. Giving it an activation like scare spiders/orc/all monsters would make it resemble the LOTR original even more but I don't think it would make it much more desirable within angband. Maybe giving it a very high light radius (say 5) with no refill and no other properties would make it an interesting unique without being overpowered.
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Old December 5, 2014, 13:58   #14
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The Phial did show up a lot earlier in the old days; times were I fully expected to find it by 500' with over 90% of my characters. It got moved deeper at some point; I'm not entirely sure why. Probably to make lanterns more useful or something. Then (possibly at a later point) Lanterns of True Sight were added, with a distribution such that they had rather decent odds of showing up before you ever got the Phial.
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Old December 5, 2014, 14:33   #15
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I know I haven't found it yet on my current run - cLvl 23, dLvl 21 - or thereabouts. I did find a Lantern of Brightness though, which I'm using (and keep wanting to refill it with the Phlogiston spell
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Old December 5, 2014, 19:37   #16
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As Derakon said, the Phial got moved slightly deeper than in earlier versions of Angband, but I think another reason it is often not found until after some of the other powerful lights (true seeing, star, arkenstone) is because of the change to a deep-diving play style. @ sometimes blows past the depths where the phial is more likely to show up and can get to one of the better lights before ever chancing on the phial.
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Old December 6, 2014, 23:23   #17
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As Derakon said, the Phial got moved slightly deeper than in earlier versions of Angband, but I think another reason it is often not found until after some of the other powerful lights (true seeing, star, arkenstone) is because of the change to a deep-diving play style. @ sometimes blows past the depths where the phial is more likely to show up and can get to one of the better lights before ever chancing on the phial.
I'm a slow-bro un-diver (tend to visit every red "*" object on levels with "something worthwhile" or above feelings), and I only have found the Phial I think once or twice over the last few months on 3.5, and it mostly sits at home because usually by then I have a TrueSight lantern and wands of illumination (or of course the spell, or I just do with wands of light).
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Old December 7, 2014, 19:52   #18
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I'm pretty sure it got moved from depth 1 rarity 1 to depth 5 rarity 5. Sometime around 2.8. That was a pretty big change. I'd read an Angband guide which recommended repeating 50 feet until you find it! I think this is what has made it so iconic in the game. Many people who only played one character of Angband will have found it.
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