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Old January 10, 2021, 04:16   #1
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DSM at dlv 18?

I just found Red Dragon Scale Mail (-2) [24, +29] <+2, +1> {??} at dlv 18 with a level feeling of just 3‽ I think it's Dwarven (it has +2 to Str and Con and +1 to infra) but I forget what else Dwarven egos have.

This just confirms to me that level feelings are not worth paying too much attention to, but it makes me wonder whether I understand how the feelings work, or whether DSM is more common than I thought at lower levels.

Thoughts?
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Old January 10, 2021, 04:47   #2
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I don't really feel as if it's that rare, especially because it's just red and not something super op like Multi-hued dragon scale mail. I think it's pretty normal to find Red/green/blue scale mails that low although, maybe not because idrk
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Old January 10, 2021, 05:13   #3
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But Dwarven(I think) DSM with such a low LF?
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Old January 10, 2021, 05:17   #4
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I suppose, it being dwarven makes it a bit more uncommon, being on DSM. But I still think the only weird thing about finding it that low is that it was on a 3 LF :/
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Old January 10, 2021, 05:22   #5
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Was it a floor item or a monster drop?

Red dragon scale mail is native to DL 40 and below, and so is the (Dwarven) DSM ego; but Vanilla Angband is very happy to generate stuff out of depth.
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Old January 10, 2021, 05:26   #6
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It was lying on the floor. I almost left the level before seeing it, thank you object detection spell!
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Old January 10, 2021, 09:46   #7
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I've seen craftsmanship, stealth, speed and artifact DSM but I've never seen Dwarven DSM.

At 18 that would definitely trigger more than a 3. Must have been a monster drop.

Please can you screenshot the DSM so we can see it, and also see how it dropped?

Dwarven also has a CON bonus
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Old January 10, 2021, 10:45   #8
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Yeah, this item should trigger higher treasure feeling than 3 at DL18.
Post a screenshot from the item description. If it reads "it was lying on a floor..", there's something wrong.

Otherwise, congrats for the great find. Free action, 53 AC, str+con bonus, infravision and powerful fire attack all in one package.
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Old January 10, 2021, 10:56   #9
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Oops, yeah it was a monster drop; I could have sworn otherwise, either it died off-screen or I was on mental autopilot (dangerous). It was dropped by a black ogre, which still seems a bit unlikely but not as strange for sure
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Old January 10, 2021, 11:11   #10
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Quote:
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Oops, yeah it was a monster drop; I could have sworn otherwise
I called it.

Level feelings aren't always helpful for a character but they are at least consistent.

So is it really dwarven?
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