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Old December 22, 2017, 10:34   #1
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Bugs and issues in 4.1.2

New thread for any problem encountered with the new release.

Here's my results of testing the messages with known and unknown (flavored) items:

- wands: "it can be aimed" (unknown), "when aimed..." (known)
- offensive rods: "it can be aimed" (unknown), "when aimed..." (known)
- support rods: "it can be activated" (unknown), "when activated..." (known)
- activatable offensive item (for ex. a ring of ice): nothing (unknown), "when aimed..." (known)
- activatable offensive artifact (for ex. Narthanc): "when activated..."
- potion of dragon breath: "it can be aimed" (unknown), "when aimed..." (known)

So here we have the following problems:
- looking at unknown rods leaks info about them (aimed vs activated)
- missing info on unknown activatable items
- different info for known activatable normal items vs artifacts (aimed vs activated again)
- looking at unknown potions of dragon breath leaks info about them
- potions of dragon breath are not "aimed" anyway
- looking at unknown activatable artifacts leaks info about them

Fixes:
- all unknown rods should say "it can be aimed" (since we ask for a direction anyway)
- all unknown activatable items should say "it can be activated" (as it is obvious by pressing 'A' that they can)
- known activatable artifacts should say "when aimed..." (like everything else that can be aimed)
- unknown potions of dragon breath should say "it can be quaffed" (like every other potion)
- known potions of dragon breath should say "when quaffed..." (since obviously you drink the potion, then fire or ice erupts from your throat...)
- unknown activatable artifacts should say "it can be activated" until you walk on them and learn their name ('a dagger' -> 'Narthanc' or 'a bronze amulet' -> 'Carlammas')
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Old December 22, 2017, 16:52   #2
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Artifacts that activate for unaimed effects, like light or heal or teleport or whatever, should not be "aimed", they should be "activated". Only artifacts that, when activated, prompt the user for a direction or target should be "aimed".
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Old December 23, 2017, 22:05   #3
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75 turns my left foot! 5 turns, maybe.

You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.
You feel very good, you have 3 !CLW. You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.

Hey, wait a minute. I just quaffed a potion of CLW, and it says it feeds me for 75 turns, why am I immediately paralyzed again?

Wormtongue just stole all my coins (3400) and he was fleeing in fear and I had nothing to finish him off with given I only have melee attack. Now he is almost at full health, I'm out of food and fainting and my !CLWs are useless in staving off starvation.

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Old December 23, 2017, 23:27   #4
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75 turns my left foot! 5 turns, maybe.

You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.
You feel very good, you have 3 !CLW. You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.

Hey, wait a minute. I just quaffed a potion of CLW, and it says it feeds me for 75 turns, why am I immediately paralyzed again?
Once you're at fainting status (less than 250 turns of nourishment before you die, shows Faint at the bottom of screen) you have a random chance of fainting. So I imagine your !CLW didn't take you above the 250-turn limit, and you got a bad roll on the fainting. The solution is not to get to fainting status
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Old December 24, 2017, 03:15   #5
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75 turns my left foot! 5 turns, maybe.

You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.
You feel very good, you have 3 !CLW. You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.

Hey, wait a minute. I just quaffed a potion of CLW, and it says it feeds me for 75 turns, why am I immediately paralyzed again?

Wormtongue just stole all my coins (3400) and he was fleeing in fear and I had nothing to finish him off with given I only have melee attack. Now he is almost at full health, I'm out of food and fainting and my !CLWs are useless in staving off starvation.
If you haven't seen scrolls of satisfy hunger and have unid'd scrolls, try reading them; maybe you'll get lucky. Also try unid'd potions, which might turn out to be juice or additional curing. If those don't help and you have recall, use it immediately, quaffing your CLW while waiting. Then kill some townsfolk for their single-digit gold drops, and buy food in the general store. Once you're no longer hungry, go farm DL 1 for replacement curing potions or cash to buy same, as you don't want to return to depths with anything dangerous while out of healing.

If you don't have recall, you're probably dead. And as Nick said, there's no bug here, just pilot error. Never let a character get below hunger level "weak." If you're not carrying food and can't cast satisfy hunger, then start looking for food on the dungeon floor as soon as you hit "hungry," and if you hit "weak," recall immediately to go buy it.

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Wormtongue just stole all my coins (3400) and he was fleeing in fear and I had nothing to finish him off with given I only have melee attack. Now he is almost at full health, I'm out of food and fainting and my !CLWs are useless in staving off starvation.
Wormtongue can cast heal, he'll drop all your coins when he dies though so just treat him as a temporary bank.
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Also try unid'd potions, which might turn out to be juice or additional curing.
I wouldn't recommend that when starving, as there's a better chance to get Salt Water than anything nourishing... worsening the problem.
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I wouldn't recommend that when starving, as there's a better chance to get Salt Water than anything nourishing... worsening the problem.
It depends on what you know. If there's a chance of the unknown being CSW or CCW, I'd take it; those are much more common than salt water. If you've already seen those two, then it's not worth the risk of quaffing the unknown unless you've also identified the salt water previously. (Perhaps that's how you got into the starvation mess in the first place.)
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It depends on what you know. If there's a chance of the unknown being CSW or CCW, I'd take it; those are much more common than salt water. If you've already seen those two, then it's not worth the risk of quaffing the unknown unless you've also identified the salt water previously. (Perhaps that's how you got into the starvation mess in the first place.)
Of course, that unknown potion could also be !poison, but, yeah, if you're moments from @ death, with no time to recall or get up stairs, then quaff away and hope for the best.
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artefacts lost on level

Shouldn't it be that way that if you enter a level and have the option to loose artifacts if you leave the level ON, that you notice the artefact with entering the level ? I lost about 20 artefacts without even noticing ... *wonder*

edit: I am rather sure now that i lost artifacts without noticing them at entering levels ... i watched for the pink $ sign and i missed some without the $ showing up.

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