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Old March 31, 2018, 09:58   #1
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Poschengband has been deleted from Github

The site existed a few days ago

I suspected something was up, the Christmas release he mentioned never occurred
He was so unhappy towards the end, I hope he is feeling better
I don't understand why he didn't fix some of the long standing flaws in the game, but I think some of his contributions were original and excellent
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Old March 31, 2018, 15:02   #2
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Obliterating the source code of a major Angband variant, I don't know of any precedent
It also makes a mockery of it being open source
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Old March 31, 2018, 18:59   #3
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It's not just the game itself. Chris's account has been deleted and is now a 404 page.

The same thing happened a few months ago to another roguelike dev, Coolthulhu (who was working on a fork of Cataclysm DDA called "Bright Nights"). Apparently some group spammed his account with reports and github's automated system took it down until they manually reviewed it.
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Old March 31, 2018, 19:02   #4
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Rule 1 about this kind of thing: don't be a dick about it. Chris clearly felt strongly about how PosChengband should be played, and as he's the one that created it he's well within his rights to stop distributing it. It's not making a mockery of open source to take an open-source project, modify it, and use your modifications privately. You have no obligation to distribute your work. Chris did distribute his work for a time, for which we can be thankful, but it does not reflect poorly on him that he chose to stop doing so, for whatever reason.
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Old March 31, 2018, 20:24   #5
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That's bad news. I like Poschengband. I wish he didn't make his repository unavailable even if he no longer supports the project.

Would it be disrespectful to put the git clone back on github to make the game versions available again?
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Old March 31, 2018, 20:27   #6
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IMO there would be nothing wrong with that. I mean, you could reconstruct it from looking back through the commit history for compos/frogcompos, and I don't think it's disrespectful to leave those up..
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Old March 31, 2018, 21:50   #7
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When I get around to updating the Angband Variant Repository, it'll be there, too.
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Rule 1 about this kind of thing: don't be a dick about it. Chris clearly felt strongly about how PosChengband should be played, and as he's the one that created it he's well within his rights to stop distributing it. It's not making a mockery of open source to take an open-source project, modify it, and use your modifications privately. You have no obligation to distribute your work. Chris did distribute his work for a time, for which we can be thankful, but it does not reflect poorly on him that he chose to stop doing so, for whatever reason.
I'm sure Chris has his reasons, and I do indeed think we should be thankful for all the work he's put into PosChengband, but... (You knew that was coming, didn't you?)

... unless this decision was driven by external forces, it seems like pretty bad form generally to take the project down without any advance warning.

Glad to hear that it'll be preserved in Nick's archive as the preservation-worthy piece of roguelike history that it is.
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Really sucks to see it wiped like that. But, oh well! That's life. Fun game while it lasted. Still going to finish my run on composband with my lvl 43 skillmaster. Hoping that some good variants continue to be developed and expand on the base game (already a few good ones).
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... Hoping that some good variants continue to be developed and expand on the base game ...
Chris started Chengband with a bang, rapidly adding lots of good stuff
I would love to see someone else rise to that level

Many of the good things that Chris implemented were ideas of dzhang
I think there are other players who have excellent ideas, but if they are not listened to, and if their bug reports aren't even acknowledged ...

There was a time when Chris thanked people for their bug reports and rapidly implemented ideas that people suggested
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