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Old October 6, 2017, 12:53   #11
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I gave the maintainer the benefit of the doubt before (a courtesy he did not extend to Clouded) but these remarks cross the line

Clouded maintains his innocence and the maintainer has not provided solid evidence
The maintainer makes accusations and then disappears

The second quote shows unbelievable contempt for his (former?) players

The maintainer is a nasty piece of work
The Variant Maintainer says 'Wait until you see the next release!'
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Old October 6, 2017, 13:25   #12
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This is a lot of drama and outrage for a game that maybe a few hundred people play.
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Old October 6, 2017, 14:21   #13
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Gotta hit open source game developers with the outrage of 1000 suns. It's what fuels their inspiration.

Looks (I haven't played yet just read) a bit more balanced than 7.0.0. Trying to finish my character in 7 before taking a closer look though.
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Old October 6, 2017, 15:52   #14
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I wonder if Chris is OK in himself these days. Not impossible that he is working through a rough patch

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Old October 6, 2017, 19:16   #15
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Not funny.
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Old October 6, 2017, 21:27   #16
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Look, let's try to be a little bit charitable here.

Now, the language (and reasoning!) in some of those commit messages looks pretty strange[1]. Obviously, Chris can say what he likes, but he doesn't have the power to prevent anyone from posting "modded" Poschengband games on the Oook ladder/forums, so I'll just chalk that up to bad phrasing on his part. I think he may have meant that he only wanted to read feedback on completely unmodded games. Maybe I'm being too generous, but text discussion/commentary makes it very easy to get the wrong idea because there's no quick correction mechanism.

(EDIT: As an aside, it would be nice if the ladder could actually split the "format" version of the dump from the "code" version so that we could e.g. just specify git commit IDs as the "version" for example. I think the ladder is one of our best ways to gather statistical information, but it's marred by people playing forks under the "same" version number. Again, I think this is a reasonable "objection" by Chris. It's really hard to gather actionable information from ladder dumps if you don't know what exact code people are playing.)

Legally, morally, etc. AFAIAC there's no leg to stand on wrt. forbidding others from modding PosCheng, but frankly the codebase is so awful that I'm not sure why anyone would want to. To be clear: The codebase was awful before Chris "inherited" it. Vanilla angband has a much better code base.

[1] I really don't understand removing patches from people you've since had a falling out with. If the code works, what's the problem? I say this only because there was no game-play justification for the removal of some of clouded's patches. In fairness, some did have gameplay justification that I felt was reasonable.

EDIT: Btw, reported the "Chlis" account.

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Old October 6, 2017, 22:38   #17
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I wonder if Chris is OK in himself these days. Not impossible that he is working through a rough patch
Perceptive and magnanimous, putting all of my comments to shame

His tone and actions are far more confrontational
I find it extremely odd that he seems to rarely have access to the net
I don't know anything about him, perhaps his circumstances are difficult

I wish he discussed his concerns with Clouded in private before he went nuclear on him
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Old October 6, 2017, 22:53   #18
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Well, here we are and we should make the best of it.

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Old October 6, 2017, 22:58   #19
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Do we have some means of communicating with Chris, is he on email or ...?
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I don't think that's the right state of mind to jump into any kind of creative project with.
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