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Old January 26, 2016, 20:13   #11
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Actually, Maeglin is the one exception who may be easier to kill in a vault if it has limited sightlines, since he can't dig more space to summon. I would almost never kill Osse, although with IM_FIRE, I might make an exception. There are a lot of high level elemental specialist uniques that I just won't fight without immunity because they are too hard on inventory.

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As I said, I really have no intention of facing Ancalagon or Maeglin at this point; I was being flippant. All the rest of these guys (hey, I guess Khamul, the Black Easterling must be just out of my esp range since he was there a minute ago) have their native depth at least 8 levels higher than here, and this is about 20 levels deeper than Fundin and Osse's native depth. With Narya it could be almost tempting to try taking Glaurung on, but that undiggable corridor up there is a bad spot for summons.

BTW I had a spot of worry earlier on this level, making my way over to the vault, when a greater demonic Q summoned a couple of horned reapers who started summoning things that started summoning things; luckily the reapers trampled many of their own summons, and after a couple uncomfortable fights I found that staff of banishment and ended that.
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Old January 26, 2016, 20:27   #12
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(BTW, is there a good way to dump terminals other than the main screen? For the monster list I took a screenshot, ran the relevant portion through OCR, then had to retype the locations anyways; it would have been faster to just retype it all.)
')', and choose html. You can then upload using the Screenshots tab above if you want, and you get the opportunity to connect it to the character dump if your character has been dumped to the ladder.
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Old January 26, 2016, 21:37   #13
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I'm confused by the replies I'm getting here.

Pete, Osse doesn't have any fire-based attacks, does he? The spoiler file says nether and water. Why would IM_FIRE be relevant?

Nick, I was asking how to dump terminals *other than the main screen*. ')' dumps the main screen- at least it only dumped the main screen when I used it to post the screenshot in the post you were replying to. I don't see how to dump e.g. the object list from my terminal #4 or the monsters list from terminal #3.

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Old January 27, 2016, 00:01   #14
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My bad, I was remembering the wrong one. I was thinking of Arien, Maia of the Sun.
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I'm confused by the replies I'm getting here.

Pete, Osse doesn't have any fire-based attacks, does he? The spoiler file says nether and water. Why would IM_FIRE be relevant?

Nick, I was asking how to dump terminals *other than the main screen*. ')' dumps the main screen- at least it only dumped the main screen when I used it to post the screenshot in the post you were replying to. I don't see how to dump e.g. the object list from my terminal #4 or the monsters list from terminal #3.
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Old January 27, 2016, 08:20   #15
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I'm confused by the replies I'm getting here.

Pete, Osse doesn't have any fire-based attacks, does he? The spoiler file says nether and water. Why would IM_FIRE be relevant?
Fire immunity isn't needed for Osse, but Osse is the most dangerous of the lot. I normally judge that I'm pretty much ready against Morgoth when I can kill unique A without problems.
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Old January 29, 2016, 03:45   #16
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Back in town after the vault, here's the ladder link. 8 artifacts from this vault; Arkenstone replaced Star immediately, and I ignored Calris, but the other 6 add to my inventory woes. I could really use some help figuring out what to keep.

Pete: I killed Arien back at DL67; wouldn't want to face her without both permanent and temporary fire resist, but with both, I don't remember her being all that much of a challenge. Didn't think immunity was required.

In fact, now that I've killed Osse and Fundin (and Draebor, who was also in this vault and who dropped the necklace of the dwarves), I've killed all the uniques native to DL66 and shallower except Radagast, and none of those native to DL67 or deeper.
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Old January 29, 2016, 04:17   #17
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Arien is just hell on stuff in the pack. (Say goodbye to your guaranteed escapes.) It's easier to just avoid her without elemental immunity. Pazuzu is the same. (Say goodbye to those rods and wands of teleport other.)
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Arien is just hell on stuff in the pack. (Say goodbye to your guaranteed escapes.) It's easier to just avoid her without elemental immunity. Pazuzu is the same. (Say goodbye to those rods and wands of teleport other.)
Arien didn't do much to my gear and I had only single-resist when I fought him last time. Maybe you are remembering something other than him. Maybe Phoenix? That's really hard on your gear.

Pazuzu I agree, elec damage is huge.
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Old January 30, 2016, 03:32   #19
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Again, I could really use some advice figuring out what to do about the inventory squeeze after getting all that loot. Here are my thoughts:

Ditch:
Thranduil - ring of power or Dor-Lomin for telepathy instead
Ingwe- Necklace of Dwarves, Trickery, Weaponmastery seem more appropriate
Barahir- haven't been using it, don't think I'll ever use it since now I have Narya
Carlammas- Necklace of Dwarves is better
Evenstar- I own almost no other rNether but other amulets are probably better esp. now that I have rDark from arkenstone
Elven Cloak of Aman [6,+26] <+3 stealth, +1 speed>, rNexus- the other Cloak of Aman gives +4 stealth and rDisen which is rarer

Unsure:
Anarion / Preservation- probably not worth keeping both? rChaos, rDisen on Preservation vs rBasic on Anarion
Thror- the +3STR,CON is awesome but compared to present Elvenkind boots it's -3 stealth, -4 speed
Scrolls of Rune of Protection- is trying to stockpile these worth the space at home?
Celebrimbor- rShards, rDisen are nice but probably not ever gonna wear this instead of Dor-Lomin
Gorlim- been keeping this around because I saw somebody say it came in handy in the final fights. No way I'm using it for anything else, given how my character relies on stealth. (Well, mayyybe if I found Deathwreaker...) But Dor-Lo-Min or something like Gondor would have advantages in the final fights too.

Probably my biggest problem:
Body armor. I've been keeping every artifact body armor I found since the beginning, since it doesn't seem like any of them are strictly comparable. This has been annoying.

I have the seven artifact armors Arvedui, Himring, Thalkettoth, Caspanion, Rohirrim, Belegennon, and Soulkeeper. I also have a Robe of Permanence (should I kill that and rely on other things e.g. shields, rings, amulets for sustain if I need it?). This dominates my home inventory space and I can't just keep accumulating the entire set of artifact armors.

The armor I'm wearing is dwarven chaos DSM: +2STR,+1CON,rChaos,rDisen, FrAct. It's my only worn source of FrAct, since I'm wearing the caestus of power instead of Fingolfin for the +5 STR. Race and class bonuses, Trickery, and Dor-Lomin have me maxed out on +DEX, so Fingolfin's bonus is not helpful right now. Narya, Weaponmastery, or Dwarves are other likely sources of FrAct.
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Old January 30, 2016, 04:42   #20
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Dude! Go kill Sauron! What are you waiting for? You have lots of disposable goods except Slay Evil/Acid brand ammo for Belthronding (a shame!)

Arvedui is low level armor and Belegennon is not suitable for a high-dex race/class combo. Those are easy to throw away. So is Robe of Permanence. It'd be a shame not to use that cool ego dragon scale armor.

Since you clearly aren't planning to use archery, go win with your current gear! (Or if you do use archery, trade up to Amrod when you switch to melee.)
+20 speed is enough, and 565 dam/turn is epic.
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