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Old November 5, 2010, 17:49   #1
Chud
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Squelching aggressively?

Here's a character who is probably my most successful so far, mostly due to some very good luck in drops and equipment finds (I usually play not-very-carefully and die about 10-15 levels above this). His lack of identify is making sifting through the now-common ego items rather tedious though; my question is, if I now squelch "all but artificats" for melee weapons, missle weapons, and maybe body armor (well, might not want to miss the best of the dragon scale mails), am I going to miss out on anything I would want at this point?

Thanks!

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  [Angband 3.1.2v2 Character Dump]

 Name   Snurf-Mahk                               Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Sex    Male         Age             27   STR! 18/100  +4  +5  +2 18/210
 Race   Half-Troll   Height         101   INT:     18  -4  -2  +0     12
 Class  Warrior      Weight         247   WIS:     16  -2  -2  +0     12
 Title  Hero         Social       Liked   DEX:  18/59  -4  +2 +10 18/139
 HP     998/998      Maximize         Y   CON:  18/90  +3  +2  +5 18/190
 SP     0/0                               CHR:     18  -6  -1  +0     11

 Level               42   Armor   [37,+106]     Saving Throw         53%
 Cur Exp        1882248   Fight   (+25,+31)     Stealth              Bad
 Max Exp        1882248   Melee   (+16,+51)     Fighting       Legendary
 Adv Exp        2160000   Shoot   (+42,+19)     Shooting       Legendary
 MaxDepth   3000' (L60)   Blows      5/turn     Disarming            66%
 Game Turns     1015103   Shots      1/turn     Magic Device          40
 Player Turns    117368   Infra       40 ft     Perception       1 in 13
 Active Turns    109788   Speed          10     Searching            43%
 Gold            586527   Burden  156.7 lbs

 Your mother was a Stone-Troll Warrior.  You have slime-green eyes,
 dirty sea-weed green hair, and black scabby skin.



rAcid:...+..+.+.... rConf:......+......
rElec:......+.+.... Sound:......+......
rFire:......+.+.... Shard:.......+.....
rCold:......+.+.... Nexus:....+........
rPois:....+........ Nethr:.............
rFear:......+.....+ Chaos:.............
rLite:............. Disen:+............
rDark:............. S.Dig:.............
rBlnd:............. Feath:..........+..

Light:............. Aggrv:+............
Regen:............+ Stea.:....+........
  ESP:.........+... Sear.:....+.....+..
Invis:............. Infra:....+.......+
FrAct:.+........+.. Tunn.:.............
HLife:............. Speed:.+..+......+.
ImpHP:............. Blows:.............
ImpSP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.+...........


  [Character Equipment]

a) The Bastard Sword 'Calris' (5d4) (-9,+20) (+5) {@w2}
     +5 constitution.
     Slays evil creatures, demons, trolls.
     *Slays* dragons.
     Provides resistance to disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Aggravates creatures nearby.  
     
     Combat info:
     5 blows/round.
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 6 blows
     This weapon benefits from one or more off-weapon brands or slays.
     Average damage/hit: 79.3 vs. evil creatures, 92.6 vs. demons, 92.6
     vs. trolls, 92.6 vs. creatures not resistant to acid, 119.4 vs.
     dragons, and 65.9 vs. others.
     
b) The Long Bow of Bard (x5) (+17,+19) (+2)
     +2 dexterity, speed, shooting power.
     Slays dragons.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
c) a Ring of Damage (+0,+12)
d) a Ring of Acid [+15]
     It brands your melee attacks with acid.
     Provides resistance to acid.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
e) an Amulet of Trickery (+1)
     +1 dexterity, stealth, infravision, speed.
     +5% to searching.
     Provides resistance to poison, nexus.
     Sustains dexterity.
     
f) The Phial of Galadriel (charging)
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     When activated, it lights up the surrounding area, hurting light-s
     ensitive creatures.
     Takes 22 to 40 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 91.6%
     
     Radius 3 light.
g) The Metal Brigandine Armour of the Rohirrim [20,+15] (+2)
     +2 strength, dexterity.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, fear, 
     confusion, sound.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
h) a Cloak of Protection [1,+14]
     Provides resistance to shards.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
i) The Large Metal Shield of Anarion [5,+20]
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains strength, intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution, 
     charisma.
     
j) an Iron Helm of Telepathy [5,+8]
     Grants telepathy.  
     
k) a Set of Alchemist's Gloves of Thievery (+1,+1) [0,+14] (+5)
     +5 dexterity.
     +25% to searching.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Feather Falling.  Prevents paralysis.  
     
l) a Pair of Steel Shod Boots of Speed [6,+11] (+7)
     +7 speed.
     


  [Character Quiver]

n) 16 Arrows of Slay Dragon (1d4) (+9,+13)
     Slays dragons.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 160 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 538.2 vs. dragons, and 179.4 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
o) 6 Arrows of Slay Animal (1d4) (+4,+12)
     Slays animals.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 160 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 348.4 vs. animals, 522.6 vs. dragons, and 
     174.2 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
p) 4 Arrows of Slay Animal (1d4) (+9,+8)
     Slays animals.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 160 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 306.8 vs. animals, 460.2 vs. dragons, and 
     153.4 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
q) 25 Arrows (1d4) (+3,+3)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 160 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 378.5 vs. dragons, and 126.1 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
r) 5 Arrows (1d4) (+4,+6)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 160 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 429 vs. dragons, and 143 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
s) 5 Arrows (1d4) (+0,+6)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 160 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 424.8 vs. dragons, and 141.6 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
t) 25 Arrows (1d4) (+4,+3)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 160 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 382.2 vs. dragons, and 127.4 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
u) 15 Seeker Arrows (4d4) {magical}
     You do not know the full extent of this item's powers.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 160 feet away.
     Average damage/hit: 448 vs. dragons, and 149.3 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
v) (nothing)
w) (nothing)


  [Character Inventory]

a) 20 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds {@q1}
     
b) a Potion of *Healing*
     It can be thrown at creatures with damaging effect.
     
c) 4 Potions of Restore Life Levels
d) 7 Potions of Speed
e) 14 Scrolls of Phase Door
f) 3 Scrolls of Teleport Level
g) a Scroll of Acquirement
h) 7 Scrolls of Satisfy Hunger
i) 3 Scrolls of Identify {@r1}
j) 2 Scrolls of Recharging
k) a Scroll of Deep Descent
l) 3 Rods of Detection {@z1}
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
m) 4 Rods of Curing
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
n) 4 Rods of Teleport Other
o) 4 Rods of Disarming {@z2}
p) 3 Rods of Recall
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
q) a Staff of Identify (8 charges)
     
r) The Short Sword 'Sting' (1d6) (+7,+8) (+2) {@w3}
     +2 strength, dexterity, constitution, speed, attack speed.
     Slays animals, evil creatures, undead, orcs.
     Provides resistance to fear, light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     Combat info:
     8 blows/round.
     This weapon benefits from one or more off-weapon brands or slays.
     Average damage/hit: 49.1 vs. animals, 49.1 vs. evil creatures, 
     52.9 vs. undead, 52.9 vs. orcs, 52.9 vs. creatures not resistant
     to acid, and 45.4 vs. others.
     
     Radius 1 light.


  [Home Inventory]

a) a Mushroom of Vigor
     
b) 3 Potions of Restore Strength
c) a Potion of Restore Intelligence
d) 4 Potions of Restore Wisdom
e) a Potion of Restore Dexterity
f) 6 Potions of Restore Constitution
g) 5 Potions of Restore Life Levels
h) a Scroll of Recharging
i) 4 Scrolls of *Destruction*
j) 3 Rods of Probing
k) 3 Rods of Curing
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
l) a Rod of Teleport Other
m) a Rod of Disarming {@z2}
n) a Rod of Recall
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
o) 2 Staves of Identify (2 charges) {@u7}
     
p) a Ring of Resist Poison
     Provides resistance to poison.
     
q) Chain Mail (-2) [14,-14] {squelch}
r) The Soft Leather Armour 'Hithlomir' [4,+20] (+4)
     +4 stealth.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, dark, nether.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
s) The Leather Scale Mail 'Thalkettoth' (-1) [10,+25] (+3)
     +3 dexterity, speed.
     Provides resistance to acid, shards.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
t) The Cutlass 'Gondricam' (1d8) (+10,+11) [+50] (+4) {@w1}
     +4 dexterity, stealth.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Feather Falling.  Speeds regeneration.  Prevents paralysis.  
     Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     Combat info:
     6 blows/round.
     This weapon benefits from one or more off-weapon brands or slays.
     Average damage/hit: 57.8 vs. creatures not resistant to acid, and 
     48 vs. others.
     
u) a Broad Sword (2d5) (+0,+0) {squelch}
     Combat info:
     5 blows/round.
     With an additional 1 strength and 1 dex you would get 6 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 2 dex you would get 6 blows
     This weapon benefits from one or more off-weapon brands or slays.
     Average damage/hit: 50.8 vs. creatures not resistant to acid, and 
     37.7 vs. others.
     
v) The Scythe 'Avavir' (5d3) (+18,+12) [+30] (+3) {@w2}
     +3 dexterity, charisma, speed.
     Branded with flames, frost.
     Provides resistance to fire, cold, light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     When activated, it returns you from the dungeon or takes you to th
     e dungeon after a short delay.
     Takes 400 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 84.5%
     
     Combat info:
     6 blows/round.
     This weapon benefits from one or more off-weapon brands or slays.
     Average damage/hit: 78.2 vs. creatures not resistant to acid, 78.2
     vs. creatures not resistant to fire, 78.2 vs. creatures not
     resistant to cold, and 55.8 vs. others.
     
     Radius 1 light.
w) The Long Bow 'Belthronding' (x3) (+20,+22) (+1)
     +1 dexterity, stealth, speed, shooting speed.
     Provides resistance to disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     


============================================================
                   CHAR.
|   TURN  | DEPTH |LEVEL| EVENT
============================================================
         1      0'    1   Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
      3441     50'    2   Reached level 2
      7241    100'    3   Reached level 3
     11225    100'    4   Reached level 4
     11715    100'    4   Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's dog
     12305    100'    4   Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's dog
     12305    100'    5   Reached level 5
     26428    150'    6   Reached level 6
     32751    250'    7   Reached level 7
     37155    250'    8   Reached level 8
     46630    400'    9   Reached level 9
     54400    450'   10   Reached level 10
     59123    550'   11   Reached level 11
     60544    550'   12   Reached level 12
     62585    600'   13   Reached level 13
     62986    600'   13   Killed Grishnakh, the Hill Orc
     62986    600'   14   Reached level 14
     63376    600'   15   Reached level 15
     67965    700'   16   Reached level 16
     74138    950'   17   Reached level 17
     85201    950'   18   Reached level 18
     92190   1050'   19   Reached level 19
     95784   1050'   20   Reached level 20
    100169   1100'   21   Reached level 21
    106835   1100'   22   Reached level 22
    109639   1100'   22   Killed Orfax, Son of Boldor
    117858   1100'   23   Reached level 23
    124761   1150'   24   Reached level 24
    152248   1200'   25   Reached level 25
    156126   1200'   25   Killed Sangahyando of Umbar
    171754   1150'   26   Reached level 26
    202050   1200'   26   Killed Lagduf, the Snaga
    217983   1200'   26   Killed Nar, the Dwarf
    238908   1200'   27   Reached level 27
    263051   1250'   27   Found The Cutlass 'Gondricam'
    286334   1350'   27   Found The Dagger 'Nimthanc' (LOST)
    298261   1400'   27   Killed Smeagol
    300255   1400'   28   Reached level 28
    310752   1500'   28   Found The Short Sword 'Dagmor' (LOST)
    329885   1500'   28   Killed Ugluk, the Uruk
    330055   1500'   29   Reached level 29
    334293   1500'   29   Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman
    374255   1550'   29   Killed Beorn, the Shape-Changer
    375019   1550'   29   Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit
    375081   1550'   29   Found The Phial of Galadriel
    384510   1550'   29   Killed Shagrat, the Orc Captain
    384581   1550'   30   Reached level 30
    410510   1600'   30   Found The Soft Leather Armour 'Hithlomir'
    416398   1600'   30   Found The Chain Mail of Arvedui (LOST)
    427183   1600'   30   Killed Ulfast, Son of Ulfang
    428216   1700'   30   Killed Uldor the Accursed
    428516   1700'   30   Killed Ibun, Son of Mim
    453943   1750'   30   Killed Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain
    455520   1750'   31   Reached level 31
    514878   1800'   32   Reached level 32
    527767   1800'   32   Killed Mughash the Kobold Lord
    531468   1800'   32   Found The Broad Sword 'Aeglin' (LOST)
    567842   1800'   32   Killed Khim, Son of Mim
    574061   1800'   33   Reached level 33
    588886   1800'   33   Killed Bert the Stone Troll
    592596   1850'   33   Found The Dagger 'Dethanc' (LOST)
    603522   1900'   33   Killed Mim, Betrayer of Turin
    623718   1900'   33   Found The Battle Axe of Balli Stonehand (LOST)
    640193   1900'   33   Killed Tom the Stone Troll
    655040   1900'   33   Found The Leather Shield of Celegorm
    658320   1900'   34   Reached level 34
    680747   2000'   34   Killed Uvatha the Horseman
    693958   2050'   34   Killed Gorbag, the Orc Captain
    730511   2050'   34   Found The Metal Brigandine Armour of the Rohirrim
    739510   2050'   34   Killed Ulfang the Black
    751442   2050'   35   Reached level 35
    767987   2150'   35   Found The Bastard Sword 'Calris'
    768777   2150'   35   Found The Set of Gauntlets 'Paurnen' (LOST)
    772802   2150'   35   Found The Set of Leather Gloves 'Cambeleg' (LOST)
    773801   2150'   35   Killed Angamaite of Umbar
    802141   2200'   36   Reached level 36
    815050   2200'   37   Reached level 37
    815924   2200'   37   Found The Long Sword 'Elvagil' (LOST)
    827855   2200'   37   Killed Ufthak of Cirith Ungol
    838831   2200'   37   Found The Leather Scale Mail 'Thalkettoth'
    846326   2300'   37   Killed Scatha the Worm
    846444   2300'   37   Found The Flail 'Totila' (LOST)
    847560   2300'   37   Found The Broad Sword 'Glamdring' (LOST)
    868678   2350'   38   Reached level 38
    872343   2350'   38   Found The Scythe 'Avavir'
    888144   2450'   38   Killed Adunaphel the Quiet
    893527   2450'   38   Killed Quaker, Master of Earth
    901612   2500'   38   Found The Large Metal Shield of Anarion
    906894   2550'   38   Killed Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief
    909775   2600'   38   Killed Ren the Unclean
    909848   2600'   38   Found The Cloak of Thorongil (LOST)
    915613   2600'   39   Reached level 39
    922615   2600'   39   Killed Harowen the Black Hand
    922686   2600'   39   Found The Iron Helm of Gorlim (LOST)
    926923   2600'   39   Killed The Queen Ant
    928564   2600'   39   Found The Short Sword 'Sting'
    937213   2650'   39   Killed Draebor, the Imp
    938399   2650'   39   Killed Bill the Stone Troll
    939620   2650'   39   Killed Ji Indur Dawndeath
    940918   2650'   39   Found The Long Bow 'Belthronding'
    942490   2650'   40   Reached level 40
    943296   2650'   40   Killed The Balrog of Moria
    949067   2650'   40   Killed Castamir the Usurper
    956531   2700'   40   Found The Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach' (LOST)
    958941   2700'   40   Found The Long Bow of Bard
    963276   2750'   40   Killed The Lernaean Hydra
    971834   2800'   40   Found The Zweihander 'Mormegil' (LOST)
    972554   2800'   41   Reached level 41
    974049   2800'   41   Found The Rapier 'Careth Asdriag' (LOST)
    986424   2850'   41   Killed Brodda, the Easterling
    988107   2850'   41   Killed Kavlax the Many-Headed
    988664   2850'   41   Found The Short Bow of Amrod
    992552   2950'   41   Killed Dwar, Dog Lord of Waw
    995649   2950'   41   Killed Ar-Pharazon the Golden
    995982   2950'   41   Found The Pike 'Til-i-arc'
   1003973   3000'   42   Reached level 42
   1013086   3000'   42   Killed Medusa, the Gorgon


  [Options]

Maximize effect of race/class bonuses        : yes (adult_maximize)
Randomize some of the artifacts (beta)       : no  (adult_randarts)
Restrict the use of stairs/recall            : no  (adult_ironman)
Restrict the use of stores/home              : no  (adult_no_stores)
Restrict creation of artifacts               : no  (adult_no_artifacts)
Don't stack objects on the floor             : no  (adult_no_stacking)
Lose artifacts when leaving level            : no  (adult_no_preserve)
Don't generate connected stairs              : no  (adult_no_stairs)
Adult: Monsters chase current location       : yes (adult_ai_sound)
Adult: Monsters chase recent locations       : yes (adult_ai_smell)
Adult: Monsters act smarter in groups        : yes (adult_ai_packs)
Adult: Monsters learn from their mistakes    : no  (adult_ai_learn)
Adult: Monsters exploit players weaknesses   : no  (adult_ai_cheat)
Adult: Monsters behave more intelligently (broken): no  (adult_ai_smart)
Score: Peek into object creation             : no  (score_peek)
Score: Peek into monster creation            : no  (score_hear)
Score: Peek into dungeon creation            : no  (score_room)
Score: Peek into something else              : no  (score_xtra)
Score: Know complete monster info            : no  (score_know)
Score: Allow player to avoid death           : no  (score_live)
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Old November 5, 2010, 18:12   #2
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Wouldn't squelch body armor. Can't think of a normal item beating bard/calris/sting... save legendary slings of the buckland
And, on a side note, why are you wearing calris and not sting?
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Old November 5, 2010, 19:01   #3
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Until finer grained squelching is possible, my solution for your situation is the following.

Squelch all but artifacts for weapons (or armor). When you see a base weapon that you might want to keep, say a blade of chaos, mace of disruption or a scythe of slicing, inscribe it with !k before picking it up. Then you can ID it. A holy avenger or slay evil top weapon can do more damage than most artifacts.

You can do the same thing with armor, and inscribe high level DSM with !k before picking it up.

This is obviously a poor solution from a gameplay perspective, but it may be the best current option.
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Old November 5, 2010, 19:03   #4
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I think you could get away with squelching weapons, launchers, and body armor. However, I'd recommend setting an auto-inscription on the top 3 weapons and all DSMs of "!k". This will prevent them from getting squelched, so you could still find e.g. a Scythe of Slicing of Fury or Blue DSM of Speed.

EDIT: fizzix has the same idea, though he didn't think of auto-inscriptions. So nyah.
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I would identify ego DSM (if in your version) and the high end melee weapons (BoC, SoS, MoD), - DSM of permanence is, IMO, the best armor in the game, and would let you use Thorin or the Haradrim shield instead of what you have. Ego high end melee weapons (BoC, SoS, MoD), either branded or with 'slay evil', 'Fury', etc., can be better than what you have.

I tend to squelch like you're suggesting though. The other option is to autoinscribe those subset of items with !k, as you only squelch after you pick up.

Rods of curing are a waste of an inventory slot - just use !CCW instead.
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EDIT: fizzix has the same idea, though he didn't think of auto-inscriptions. So nyah.
you win. I can't believe I didn't think of that. That makes this much less painful.
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Old November 5, 2010, 20:34   #7
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Wouldn't squelch body armor. Can't think of a normal item beating bard/calris/sting... save legendary slings of the buckland
And, on a side note, why are you wearing calris and not sting?
Dragons, constitution, and rDisenchantment at the moment. I find that I don't miss with it all that much even with the penalty; I switch to Sting sometimes but mostly for see invisible lately...
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Old November 6, 2010, 11:30   #8
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Dragons, constitution, and rDisenchantment at the moment. I find that I don't miss with it all that much even with the penalty; I switch to Sting sometimes but mostly for see invisible lately...
For disenchantment resistance Belthronding could be better choice. It makes more damage / monster turn than Bard against most monsters (dragons are a bit exception, if you don't have matching slay for Belthronding then Bard beats it).

For Constitution Calris is better than anything you have, but aggravation sucks.

Avavir is also a good weapon, +3 DEX and speed with double-brand means you could use RoCON instead of RoAcid with it: double-brand already affects pretty much anything, acid doesn't increase the affected group much. It actually beats Sting for damage at this point (6*78.2=469,2 vs 8*52.9=423,2.). At this point it makes actually more damage than Calris against everything that is not dragon (6 blows vs 5 blows).

I'd use Belthronding & Avavir & biggest RoCON you can find and Calris as swap against dragons, but your combination is not bad either.
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