Giant race? - Page 3

Pete Mack · January 23, 2022, 17:46

Morgoth is Ainur--immune to everything but slay evil. (Sauron is Mayar, so I dont know why he is vulnerable to Acid.)

Nick · January 23, 2022, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Ingwe Ingweron

Morgoth is a Giant, but my *Slay Giant* does no extra damage on him.

IIRC Morgoth used to have the GIANT flag, which is why Slay Giant is relatively rare.

Grotug · January 23, 2022, 20:19

Maybe M needs his HP bumped to 25,000 and given the Giant flag again?

Selkie · January 23, 2022, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Grotug

Maybe M needs his HP bumped to 25,000 and given the Giant flag again?

He really should have the giant flag IMO. Firstly, weapons of slay giant are rare, so it would make an interesting switch for the final fight. Secondly, he's massive so he's clearly a giant. Finally he is a P

Raerick · January 24, 2022, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Grotug

Maybe M needs his HP bumped to 25,000 and given the Giant flag again?

He should also spawn shimmering vortexes with every movement.

Ed_47569 · January 24, 2022, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Grotug

Maybe M needs his HP bumped to 25,000 and given the Giant flag again?

Sounds good to me. IIRC in Frog Knows and very early versions he did have the Giant flag. I think his HP were only 17,000 though until he was boosted in V3.0.

On the subject of hitpoints, Sauron seems to have been nerfed considerably. He has less than some of the other uniques - perhaps bump him up to 12,000 or so?

Werbaer · January 25, 2022, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Ed_47569

Sounds good to me. IIRC in Frog Knows and very early versions he did have the Giant flag. I think his HP were only 17,000 though until he was boosted in V3.0.

Don't know about frog_knows, but at least since 2.7.9v6, he had 20,000 HP and no GIANT flag.

Pete Mack · January 25, 2022, 14:21

Sauron has had fewer HP than Ungoliant for as long as I remember. He is still harder to kill, although I rarely bother with the big S.

Ingwe Ingweron · January 30, 2022, 08:34

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Originally Posted by Selkie

He really should have the giant flag IMO. Firstly, weapons of slay giant are rare, so it would make an interesting switch for the final fight. Secondly, he's massive so he's clearly a giant. Finally he is a P

I'm perfectly happy with him not having the GIANT flag. Yes, he is BIG (in fact I often call him the BIG BOSS), but he is not of the Giant race. Not a drop of Giant blood in him.

Sphara · January 30, 2022, 10:31

Vanilla Angband's flags are no subject to change, imo. Morgoth certainly isn't a giant as a race. If anything besides 'P', he'd be an 'A'. But he certainly doesn't need _GIANT_ flag.
Only ones I could question, and that is really splitting hairs without any desire to change, are a nightcrawler being a snake instead of a worm and an etten being a troll instead of a giant.

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January 23, 2022, 17:46	#21
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,670 Donated: $40	Morgoth is Ainur--immune to everything but slay evil. (Sauron is Mayar, so I dont know why he is vulnerable to Acid.)

January 25, 2022, 14:21	#28
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,670 Donated: $40	Sauron has had fewer HP than Ungoliant for as long as I remember. He is still harder to kill, although I rarely bother with the big S.

January 30, 2022, 10:31	#30
Sphara Swordsman Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Finland Posts: 479	Vanilla Angband's flags are no subject to change, imo. Morgoth certainly isn't a giant as a race. If anything besides 'P', he'd be an 'A'. But he certainly doesn't need _GIANT_ flag. Only ones I could question, and that is really splitting hairs without any desire to change, are a nightcrawler being a snake instead of a worm and an etten being a troll instead of a giant.

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