Pos/Com/Frog Dragon Form

CyclopsSlayer · July 7, 2018, 03:30

I have always wondered, but never really tried, a Draconian Monk that goes full Dragon transform.
What, if anything does a Monk/Mystic/ForceTrainer gain or lose were they to become a Dragon?

Gwarl · July 8, 2018, 10:31

you don't get to keep your unarmed combat skills if you become a dragon, basically just your casting ability.

CyclopsSlayer · July 8, 2018, 16:27

So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange.

Thanks, will never need to try it then.

PowerWyrm · July 9, 2018, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyclopsSlayer

So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange.

Thanks, will never need to try it then.

Try PWMAngband's dragons

CyclopsSlayer · July 9, 2018, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by PowerWyrm

Try PWMAngband's dragons

Thanks, will check it out

murphy · July 11, 2018, 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyclopsSlayer

So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that?

This isn't correct. Monks lose the martial arts flavored attacks but your claw attack does get a chance to stun, and you keep retaliation.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=20391

wobbly · July 11, 2018, 17:27

Yeah you get to keep some toys but they seem to have most of the problems metamorphed dragons usually have (losing damage in return for a harder slot layout). I'm of the opinion they were never balanced properly. The real dragons have a hard time of it, but there final form has a bunch of nice resists. Transformed dracs aren't going to grow into great wyrms, you've got the downsides with very few ups. Enough good rings, but by then a humanoid has a crazy good gear setup too.

Pete Mack · July 11, 2018, 17:37

Wobbly--yes. I played dragon way back when in Posband a few times. Most of the species were just awful: terrible damage, and painfully limited use of "branded" attacks; I was unable to win. The big deal for dragon races was PASS_WALL. With that, i was able to win. That is fun, but highly unbalanced.

Gwarl · July 12, 2018, 14:54

wondering how a dragon would do with composband's reintroduced randart rings

Pete Mack · July 12, 2018, 15:01

Gwarl--
It was the damage that was a problem. Only 4 blows, and no slays, just a single brand. And base damage scaled for attacking the player, not attacking monsters with thousands of HP.

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CyclopsSlayer Swordsman Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 387	Pos/Com/Frog Dragon Form I have always wondered, but never really tried, a Draconian Monk that goes full Dragon transform. What, if anything does a Monk/Mystic/ForceTrainer gain or lose were they to become a Dragon?

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Gwarl Knight Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 862	you don't get to keep your unarmed combat skills if you become a dragon, basically just your casting ability.

July 8, 2018, 16:27	#3
CyclopsSlayer Swordsman Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 387	So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange. Thanks, will never need to try it then.

July 11, 2018, 17:27	#7
wobbly Veteran Join Date: May 2012 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 2,462	Yeah you get to keep some toys but they seem to have most of the problems metamorphed dragons usually have (losing damage in return for a harder slot layout). I'm of the opinion they were never balanced properly. The real dragons have a hard time of it, but there final form has a bunch of nice resists. Transformed dracs aren't going to grow into great wyrms, you've got the downsides with very few ups. Enough good rings, but by then a humanoid has a crazy good gear setup too.

July 11, 2018, 17:37	#8
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,196 Donated: $40	Wobbly--yes. I played dragon way back when in Posband a few times. Most of the species were just awful: terrible damage, and painfully limited use of "branded" attacks; I was unable to win. The big deal for dragon races was PASS_WALL. With that, i was able to win. That is fun, but highly unbalanced.

July 12, 2018, 14:54	#9
Gwarl Knight Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 862	wondering how a dragon would do with composband's reintroduced randart rings

July 12, 2018, 15:01	#10
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,196 Donated: $40	Gwarl-- It was the damage that was a problem. Only 4 blows, and no slays, just a single brand. And base damage scaled for attacking the player, not attacking monsters with thousands of HP.

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