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Old March 29, 2011, 17:04   #1
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I'm not sure I posted the dump right, my apologies.

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  [Angband 3.2.0 Character Dump]

 Name   Xenith                                   Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Sex    Male         Age             17   STR:     18  -1  +2  +4  18/50
 Race   Kobold       Height          39   INT:     17  -1  +1  +3  18/20
 Class  Rogue        Weight          74   WIS:     12  +0  -2  +3     13
 Title  Sharper      Social     Unknown   DEX:     17  +2  +3  +2  18/60
 HP     382/382      Maximize         Y   CON:     18  +2  +1  +4  18/70
 SP     48/48                             CHR:     12  -2  -1  +3     12

 Level               32   Armor    [14,+74]     Saving Throw         61%
 Cur Exp         229827   Fight   (+13,+11)     Stealth           Superb
 Max Exp         232896   Melee   (+22,+22)     Fighting          Heroic
 Adv Exp         280000   Shoot   (+26,+23)     Shooting          Heroic
 MaxDepth   3550' (L71)   Blows    1.6/turn     Disarming           100%
 Game Turns      682065   Shots      1/turn     Magic Device          72
 Standard Turns   68772   Infra       50 ft     Perception       1 in 11
 Resting Turns    42296   Speed      Normal     Searching            47%
 Gold             27971   Burden  173.1 lbs

 You come from a litter of 4 pups. Your father was a warrior, and your
 mother was a prisoner of war. You have light brown eyes, a dark brown
 hide, and small, sharp teeth.


rAcid:....+...+.... rConf:.........+...
rElec:....+.+...... Sound:.............
rFire:....+........ Shard:.......+.....
rCold:..+.+........ Nexus:.............
rPois:............+ Nethr:.............
rFear:............. Chaos:.............
rLite:............. Disen:.............
rDark:............. S.Dig:.............
rBlnd:............. Feath:.............

Light:............. Aggrv:.............
Regen:............. Stea.:...........+.
  ESP:............. Sear.:.............
Invis:+............ Infra:............+
FrAct:+.........+.. Tunn.:.............
HLife:............. Speed:.............
ImpHP:............. Blows:.............
ImpSP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.............


  [Character Equipment]

a) a Bastard Sword of Westernesse (3d4) (+9,+11) (+2)
     Found lying on the floor at 1450 feet (level 29).
     
     +2 strength, dexterity, constitution.
     Slays orcs, trolls, giants.
     Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     Combat info:
     1.6 blows/round.
     With an additional 4 strength and 0 dex you would get 2.0 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 2.0 blows
     This weapon may benefit from one or more off-weapon brands or
     slays.
     Average damage/round: 78 vs. orcs, 78 vs. trolls, 78 vs. giants,
     78 vs. creatures not resistant to cold, and 51.2 vs. others.
     
b) a Heavy Crossbow of Power (x4) (+13,+23)
     Found lying on the floor at 2400 feet (level 48).
     
     
     
c) a Ring of Ice [+12]
     Found lying on the floor at 2500 feet (level 50).
     
     It brands your melee attacks with frost.
     Provides resistance to cold.
     Cannot be harmed by cold.
     
d) a Ring of Intelligence (+3)
     Dropped by a Cave troll at 2550 feet (level 51).
     
     +3 intelligence.
     Sustains intelligence.
     
e) an Amulet of Resistance
     Bought from a store.
     
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
f) The Phial of Galadriel
     Dropped by Angamaitë of Umbar at 2300 feet (level 46).
     
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
     When activated, it lights up the surrounding area, hurting
     light-sensitive creatures.
     Takes 11 to 20 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 95.4%
     
     Radius 3 light.
g) a Robe of Resist Lightning [2,+10]
     Found lying on the floor at 1750 feet (level 35).
     
     Provides resistance to lightning.
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
h) a Cloak of Protection [1,+9]
     Found lying on the floor at 1150 feet (level 23).
     
     Provides resistance to shards.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
i) a Small Metal Shield of Resist Acid [5,+8]
     Dropped by Ulwarth, Son of Ulfang at 2250 feet (level 45).
     
     Provides resistance to acid.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
j) The Metal Cap of Thengel [3,+12] (+3)
     Dropped by a Moaning spirit at 2750 feet (level 55).
     
     +3 wisdom, charisma.
     Provides resistance to confusion.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
k) The Set of Leather Gloves 'Cambeleg' (+8,+8) [1,+15] (+2)
     Found lying on the floor at 2300 feet (level 46).
     
     +2 strength, constitution.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
l) a Pair of Leather Boots of Stealth [2,+5] (+3)
     Found lying on the floor at 1300 feet (level 26).
     
     +3 stealth.
     


  [Character Quiver]

n) 88 Bolts (1d5) (+0,+0)
     Bought from a store.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 106.
     25% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
o) (nothing)
p) (nothing)
q) (nothing)
r) (nothing)
s) (nothing)
t) (nothing)
u) (nothing)
v) (nothing)
w) (nothing)


  [Character Inventory]

a) 2 Books of Magic Spells [Magic for Beginners]
     
     
b) a Book of Magic Spells [Conjurings and Tricks]
     Bought from a store.
     
     
     
c) a Book of Magic Spells [Incantations and Illusions]
     Bought from a store.
     
     
     
d) a Book of Magic Spells [Sorcery and Evocations]
     
     
e) a Book of Magic Spells [Resistances of Scarabtarices]
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
f) 4 Rations of Food
     Bought from a store.
     
     
g) 9 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
     
h) a Potion of Healing
     Dropped by a Black knight at 2300 feet (level 46).
     
     
i) 5 Scrolls of Phase Door
     
     
j) 4 Scrolls of Teleportation
     
     
k) 2 Scrolls of Word of Recall
     Bought from a store.
     
     
     
l) 3 Scrolls of Deep Descent
     Bought from a store.
     
     
     
m) 2 Rods of Teleport Other
     
     
n) a Wand of Acid Balls (4 charges)
     Found lying on the floor at 2600 feet (level 52).
     
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
o) a Wand of Teleport Other (9 charges)
     Found lying on the floor at 2600 feet (level 52).
     
     
p) a Staff of Teleportation (3 charges)
     Bought from a store.
     
     
q) a Halberd of Slay Undead (3d5) (+7,+12)
     Found lying on the floor at 3300 feet (level 66).
     
     Slays undead.
     
     Combat info:
     1.1 blows/round.
     With an additional 5 strength and 0 dex you would get 1.3 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 1.3 blows
     This weapon may benefit from one or more off-weapon brands or
     slays.
     Average damage/round: 62.7 vs. undead, 62.7 vs. creatures not
     resistant to cold, and 39.7 vs. others.
     
r) a Lance of Slay Demon (2d8) (+8,+9)
     Dropped by a Necromancer at 3300 feet (level 66).
     
     Slays demons.
     
     Combat info:
     1.0 blows/round.
     With an additional 3 strength and 0 dex you would get 1.1 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 1.1 blows
     This weapon may benefit from one or more off-weapon brands or
     slays.
     Average damage/round: 54.4 vs. demons, 54.4 vs. creatures not
     resistant to cold, and 33.1 vs. others.
     
s) 21 Bolts of Slay Evil (1d5) (+4,+6)
     Found lying on the floor at 1900 feet (level 38).
     
     Slays evil creatures.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 195.8 vs. evil creatures, and 130.5 vs.
     others.
     25% chance of breaking upon contact.
     


  [Home Inventory]

a) a Book of Magic Spells [Incantations and Illusions]
     Found lying on the floor at 1200 feet (level 24).
     
     
     
b) a Book of Magic Spells [Sorcery and Evocations]
     
     
c) a Book of Magic Spells [Resistances of Scarabtarices]
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     
d) 2 Potions of Healing
     
e) 10 Scrolls of Teleportation
     
     
f) 9 Scrolls of Teleport Level
     Bought from a store.
     
     
     
g) 2 Scrolls of Remove Curse
     Bought from a store.
     
     
     
h) a Wand of Frost Bolts (0 charges)
     Found lying on the floor at 1100 feet (level 22).
     
     
     
i) a Wand of Lightning Balls (3 charges)
     Found lying on the floor at 1750 feet (level 35).
     
     Cannot be harmed by electricity.
     
j) a Wand of Clone Monster (5 charges)
     Found lying on the floor at 2350 feet (level 47).
     
     
k) a Staff of Speed (5 charges)
     Found lying on the floor at 1850 feet (level 37).
     
     
l) a Ring of Damage (+0,+10)
     Found lying on the floor at 1150 feet (level 23).
     
     
     
m) a Ring of See Invisible
     Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
n) The Set of Leather Gloves 'Cammithrim' (+5,+5) [1,+10]
     Dropped by Sméagol at 1250 feet (level 25).
     
     Provides resistance to light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Sustains constitution.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     
     When aimed, it fires a magic missile with damage 3d4.
     Takes 2 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 94.9%
     
     Radius 1 light.
o) The Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach' [3,+14]
     Found lying on the floor at 1800 feet (level 36).
     
     Provides resistance to fire.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Speeds regeneration.  
     
     When aimed, it creates a fire bolt with damage 9d8.
     Takes 9 to 16 turns to recharge.
     Your chance of success is 95.8%
     
p) The Bastard Sword 'Calris' (5d4) (-18,+20) (+5) {cursed}
     Dropped by Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman at 1850 feet (level 37).
     
     Heavily cursed.
     +5 constitution.
     Slays evil creatures, demons, trolls.
     *Slays* dragons.
     Provides resistance to disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, electricity, fire, cold.
     Aggravates creatures nearby.  
     
     Combat info:
     1.1 blows/round.
     With an additional 2 strength and 0 dex you would get 1.3 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 1.3 blows
     This weapon may benefit from one or more off-weapon brands or
     slays.
     Average damage/round: 67.6 vs. evil creatures, 82.8 vs. demons,
     82.8 vs. trolls, 82.8 vs. creatures not resistant to cold, 113.2
     vs. dragons, and 52.4 vs. others.
     
q) a Katana of Gondolin (3d5) (+13,+8)
     Dropped by Angamaitë of Umbar at 2300 feet (level 46).
     
     Slays demons, orcs, trolls, dragons.
     Provides resistance to dark.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Speeds regeneration.  Prevents paralysis.  Grants the ability to
     see invisible things.  
     
     Combat info:
     1.1 blows/round.
     With an additional 1 strength and 0 dex you would get 1.3 blows
     With an additional 0 strength and 1 dex you would get 1.3 blows
     This weapon may benefit from one or more off-weapon brands or
     slays.
     Average damage/round: 56.7 vs. demons, 56.7 vs. orcs, 56.7 vs.
     trolls, 56.7 vs. dragons, 56.7 vs. creatures not resistant to
     cold, and 34.2 vs. others.
     
     Radius 1 light.
r) a Long Bow of Extra Might (x4) (+14,+11) (+1)
     Found lying on the floor at 2300 feet (level 46).
     
     +1 shooting power.
     


============================================================
                   CHAR.
|   TURN  | DEPTH |LEVEL| EVENT
============================================================
         1      0'    1   Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
      5623    100'    1   Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's dog
      5623    100'    2   Reached level 2
      5623    100'    3   Reached level 3
      5623    100'    4   Reached level 4
     28123    300'    5   Reached level 5
     31304    300'    5   Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's dog
     31304    300'    6   Reached level 6
     45301    400'    7   Reached level 7
     71455    850'    8   Reached level 8
    111830   1100'    9   Reached level 9
    111830   1100'   10   Reached level 10
    204198   1250'   11   Reached level 11
    204238   1250'   11   Killed Smeagol
    204279   1250'   11   Found The Set of Leather Gloves 'Cammithrim'
    211726   1300'   12   Reached level 12
    235804   1500'   13   Reached level 13
    244683   1600'   14   Reached level 14
    257088   1550'   15   Reached level 15
    271112   1650'   16   Reached level 16
    297487   1800'   16   Found The Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach'
    304958   1850'   16   Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman
    305018   1850'   16   Found The Bastard Sword 'Calris'
    306308   1850'   17   Reached level 17
    318099   1850'   18   Reached level 18
    333380      0'   19   Reached level 19
    333380      0'   20   Reached level 20
    333380      0'   21   Reached level 21
    333380      0'   22   Reached level 22
    333380      0'   23   Reached level 23
    333380      0'   24   Reached level 24
    333380      0'   25   Reached level 25
    333380      0'   26   Reached level 26
    333380      0'   27   Reached level 27
    333380      0'   28   Reached level 28
    333380      0'   29   Reached level 29
    335713      0'   29   Killed Farmer Maggot
    338031      0'   30   Reached level 30
    374326   2100'   30   Killed Nar, the Dwarf
    387906   2200'   31   Reached level 31
    435189   2250'   31   Killed Ulwarth, Son of Ulfang
    441166   2300'   31   Killed Angamaite of Umbar
    441278   2300'   31   Found The Phial of Galadriel
    481400   2350'   32   Reached level 32
    494654   2300'   32   Found The Set of Leather Gloves 'Cambeleg'
    625796   2750'   32   Found The Metal Cap of Thengel
    653420   2950'   32   Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit


  [Options]

Maximize effect of race/class bonuses        : yes (adult_maximize)
Randomize the artifacts (except a few)       : no  (adult_randarts)
Restrict the use of stairs/recall            : no  (adult_ironman)
Restrict the use of stores/home              : no  (adult_no_stores)
Restrict creation of artifacts               : no  (adult_no_artifacts)
Don't stack objects on the floor             : no  (adult_no_stacking)
Lose artifacts when leaving level            : no  (adult_no_preserve)
Don't generate connected stairs              : no  (adult_no_stairs)
Don't show level feelings                    : no  (adult_no_feelings)
Items always sell for 0 gold                 : no  (adult_no_selling)
Adult: Monsters chase current location       : yes (adult_ai_sound)
Adult: Monsters chase recent locations       : yes (adult_ai_smell)
Adult: Monsters act smarter in groups        : yes (adult_ai_packs)
Adult: Monsters learn from their mistakes    : no  (adult_ai_learn)
Adult: Monsters exploit players weaknesses   : no  (adult_ai_cheat)
Adult: Monsters behave more intelligently (broken): no  (adult_ai_smart)
Score: Peek into object creation             : no  (score_peek)
Score: Peek into monster creation            : no  (score_hear)
Score: Peek into dungeon creation            : no  (score_room)
Score: Peek into something else              : no  (score_xtra)
Score: Know complete monster info            : no  (score_know)
Score: Allow player to avoid death           : no  (score_live)
What should be my objective at this point? I've been diving, casting detect enchantment, gathering up any loot I can, and killing any ancient dragons that I run across. Any specific monsters I should be targeting at this point? I'm not too familiar with rogues. I got lucky with a nice crossbow, but my killing power isn't phenomenal.

Also, what is the difference between detect treasure and detect enchantments? Is it worth it to use the latter?

Finally, when I run across a vault with monsters that I can't handle, is there any way to get at the loot? Or do I need to be able to destroy or TO all the monsters therein?

Thanks!
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Old March 29, 2011, 17:29   #2
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You seem to have a bunch of random stuff in your inventory. It's helpful to post your dump right before you're about to go into the dungeon, so we can see what your "standard kit" is. Regardless, you should be carrying more ?Phase, more ?WoR, more !CCW, fewer bog-standard bolts (if for no other reason than so you can stick your Slay Evil bolts into the quiver without using up an extra slot), and I generally inscribe my escape gear with !* so I don't use them accidentally.

I'm surprised you're carrying all of those spellbooks. My rogue carried only book 1 for a very long time, eventually adding book 3 for Satisfy Hunger and Lesser Recharging (so he could recharge his perception staves and staff of speed), and, very much later, book 4 for haste self. Rogues are lousy spellcasters. On that note, since they are so bad at spellcasting, that ring of Intelligence you're wearing isn't helping you all that much. Twice as bad as bad is bad. The Ring of Damage, or a Ring of CON, would be better.

...since when does Cammithrim give combat bonuses?

Your objectives, as always are 1) don't die, and 2) kill Morgoth. Just keep climbing that power curve as best you can.

Detect Treasure should be strictly better than Detect Enchantments; the latter only exists so non-rogue arcane casters eventually get some form of object detection. Given that by the time it's available practically everything in the dungeon is magical anyway, I'm not certain I see the point of the distinction...but whatever.

Vault monsters must be killed or TO'd, unless you fancy trying to sneak around them. I don't think your stealth is up to that task though. If you had a source of Destruction, it would remove all the monsters and non-artifact items from the vault, but that's generally considered a bit of an exploit.
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Old March 29, 2011, 19:06   #3
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You should be collecting scrolls of enchant to-hit to use on Calris. It may take 50 of them. You should also look for a ring of strength, both for sustain and to increase number of blows.

You might want to use Cammithrim instead of Cambeleg until you get disenchantment resist. It is worse, but that is the point. It would be a terrible shame if Cambeleg got disenchanted. Your goal is to kill M. You will most likely wear Cambeleg when you face M. Don't risk it without a good reason.
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I would at least be carrying the katana of Gondolin for ESP. If I'm remembering the dump right, the Westeronese was the better combat weapon, but ESP is very handy.
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Old March 30, 2011, 06:01   #5
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I would at least be carrying the katana of Gondolin for ESP. If I'm remembering the dump right, the Westeronese was the better combat weapon, but ESP is very handy.
That Gondolin doesn't give ESP. Only +1 radius light, which is as useless as random feature can be.
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Old March 30, 2011, 06:31   #6
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I'm not sure I posted the dump right, my apologies.

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  [Angband 3.2.0 Character Dump]

 Name   Xenith                                   Self  RB  CB  EB   Best

 Title  Sharper      Social     Unknown   DEX:     17  +2  +3  +2  18/60
 
a) a Bastard Sword of Westernesse (3d4) (+9,+11) (+2)

k) The Set of Leather Gloves 'Cambeleg' (+8,+8) [1,+15] (+2)
Just for fun try two rings of Mouse to max your DEX. That gave my early hobbit rogue five blows with light weapon so soon that with slaying gauntlets they made quite a lot more damage than without. With Cambeleg and +2 from Westernesse you might get the same.
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I would at least be carrying the katana of Gondolin for ESP. If I'm remembering the dump right, the Westeronese was the better combat weapon, but ESP is very handy.
Maybe you have been lucky and all the weapons of Gondolin you have seen were with ESP.
That is possible but not always the case. Weapons of Gondolin get a random ability.
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Just for fun try two rings of Mouse to max your DEX. That gave my early hobbit rogue five blows with light weapon so soon that with slaying gauntlets they made quite a lot more damage than without. With Cambeleg and +2 from Westernesse you might get the same.
Or just very light weapon like highly enchanted dagger. Adding +8 to 18/40 gives 18/120 DEX which means blow index 8 for DEX, STR 18/30 gives STR index 50 * 4 = 200 / weapon weight. Five blows means power index 7 (100/20 = 5) which in turn means 200/7 = 28 which is too light (min 30), but you get the next best which is 4.76 blows (4.8?).

With (+3 from STR and +8 from Cambeleg + 1d4 + +9 to dam) * 4.76 = 107.1

You are currently doing 78 against orcs, trolls and giants (Ogres at this point)

That leaves 29 point difference, so 30/4.76 = 6 points can be removed from to_dam for this to be effective. Not likely that you find two with +4 DEX/Stealth and only -3 To_Dam. However something like *thanc dagger or just branded dagger with +10 to_dam would benefit from this.

(started writing this 9:15, finished 16:40. A bit distraction between....)
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Thanks for the valuable insights. Unfortunately, I found out the hard way that Haun can breathe frost for crazy amounts of damage. Oh well, live and learn!
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