Scrolls of identify runes don't identify a ring

Talharim · December 2, 2017, 11:14

Is this normal? I don't think I have grasped the new Id game.
I have a ring, I tried it, tried using the scrolls but they say there's nothing to Id.

Nick · December 2, 2017, 11:54

That means it doesn't have any runes you don't know. Try activating it; activations don't count as runes, but it won't show as fully known until you know the activation.

Talharim · December 2, 2017, 11:59

Thanks Nick! It was a ring of open wounds.

Sky · December 2, 2017, 12:13

Nick, you know that there is no indication in the game that one must activate an item to fully know its abilities. And not all items work the same, artifacts will tell you their activation without the need for a test.

Zikke · December 7, 2017, 02:12

Just out of curiosity, in the roleplaying aspect of the game, how would a character actually activate an item he/she is wearing? Do they say a word or think really hard about it? Even more so, would it work if they don't know what it is supposed to do? Not that it has to be realistic, but I've always wondered what @ actually does.

Derakon · December 7, 2017, 04:06

Every activatable item has a big red button on it.

Ingwe Ingweron · December 7, 2017, 04:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

That means it doesn't have any runes you don't know. Try activating it; activations don't count as runes, but it won't show as fully known until you know the activation.

This is particularly problematic for The One Ring, since it's activation for "bizarre things" includes a draconian permanent experience drain that cannot be undone.

PowerWyrm · December 7, 2017, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ingwe Ingweron

This is particularly problematic for The One Ring, since it's activation for "bizarre things" includes a draconian permanent experience drain that cannot be undone.

This was even more problematic in PWMAngband where one flavor of ring is "ring of Polymorphing" and the only way to ID the flavor was activating it... to polymorph into the ring's shape (which could be game ending if it was a nonmoving monster) which also destroyed the ring with a "ruination + detonation" (as per the old potion) effect. I fixed the issue by automatically IDing the flavor on wield, since forcing to activate the ring was unfair.

Talharim · December 7, 2017, 10:17

I am not sure if I like the Id game. I am quite tempted to use the options to turn it off in future characters.
Would that be considered cheating?

PowerWyrm · December 7, 2017, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talharim

I am not sure if I like the Id game. I am quite tempted to use the options to turn it off in future characters.
Would that be considered cheating?

It's not a cheat option, so no.

December 2, 2017, 11:14	#1
Talharim Scout Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 40	Scrolls of identify runes don't identify a ring Is this normal? I don't think I have grasped the new Id game. I have a ring, I tried it, tried using the scrolls but they say there's nothing to Id.

December 2, 2017, 11:54	#2
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 57 Posts: 9,464 Donated: $60	That means it doesn't have any runes you don't know. Try activating it; activations don't count as runes, but it won't show as fully known until you know the activation. __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

December 2, 2017, 12:13	#4
Sky Veteran Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: London-ish Age: 50 Posts: 2,133	Nick, you know that there is no indication in the game that one must activate an item to fully know its abilities. And not all items work the same, artifacts will tell you their activation without the need for a test. __________________ "i can take this dracolich"

December 7, 2017, 02:12	#5
Zikke Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,069	Just out of curiosity, in the roleplaying aspect of the game, how would a character actually activate an item he/she is wearing? Do they say a word or think really hard about it? Even more so, would it work if they don't know what it is supposed to do? Not that it has to be realistic, but I've always wondered what @ actually does. __________________ A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+ C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

December 7, 2017, 10:17	#9
Talharim Scout Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 40	I am not sure if I like the Id game. I am quite tempted to use the options to turn it off in future characters. Would that be considered cheating? __________________ Cowards live a long time, brave ones usually die soon of a glorious death.

December 2, 2017, 11:59	#3
Talharim Scout Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 40	Thanks Nick! It was a ring of open wounds.

December 7, 2017, 04:06	#6
Derakon Prophet Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,022	Every activatable item has a big red button on it.

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