Banish, Destruction, and Clearing Vaults

[Timo Pietilä]

Originally Posted by Raajaton

I believe it is still marked as *Destruction*, which I've always found to be strange, since i've never seen a regular Destruction.

Destruction is breaking the rule that starred item is more powerful version of the normal item. It's just destruction.

Maybe *dest* should have larger radius than plain dest.? Earthquake-radius for one and LoS for other?

[quarague]

Some response to the initial posters questions: IIRC banishment deals 1d4 damage per banished monster, mass banishment deals 1d3, if you have access to the spells, it will say so in the description, if you have only staffs or scrolls the description is more vague.
This means it is rather unlikely that you will die from using them and especially if you have the spells (for unlimited use) they make clearing out vaults almost trivial. You don't get any xp because you just banished all the monsters but you get all the goodies with very little risk to your char (you can TO the uniques in the vault if you don't want to deal with them).
Destruction on the other hand destroys all the items as well so it is much harder to use for vault clearing.

[MattB]

Originally Posted by Timo Pietilä

Destruction is breaking the rule that starred item is more powerful version of the normal item. It's just destruction.

Isn't a staff of earthquakes effectively the unstarred version of a staff of *destruction*?
If so, shouldn't the 'staff of earthquakes' simply be renamed a 'staff of destruction' and then we can all sleep more easily in our beds?

[Derakon]

Earthquake and Destruction abide by significantly different rules, though; earthquakes only destroy monsters if the monster can't be displaced to an adjacent tile (as I understand it anyway) and only destroy items if the tile the item is on is replaced with a wall. They also don't blind the user.

I'd rather have Earthquake and Destruction, than Destruction and *Destruction*. I think stars in names are generally silly. I mean, imagine if we had potions of Cure Wounds, *Cure Wounds*, **Cure Wounds**, etc.

[DaviddesJ]

Originally Posted by Derakon

I mean, imagine if we had potions of Cure Wounds, *Cure Wounds*, **Cure Wounds**, etc.

I like it!

[Patashu]

Soon the stars will have their own stars surrounding them!

[Zyphyr]

Originally Posted by Derakon

I'd rather have Earthquake and Destruction, than Destruction and *Destruction*. I think stars in names are generally silly. I mean, imagine if we had potions of Cure Wounds, *Cure Wounds*, **Cure Wounds**, etc.

I dream of a day when I can wield ***Weapon*** and wear ******Armor******.

[Wraitheist]

Originally Posted by quarague

Some response to the initial posters questions: IIRC banishment deals 1d4 damage per banished monster, mass banishment deals 1d3, if you have access to the spells, it will say so in the description, if you have only staffs or scrolls the description is more vague.
This means it is rather unlikely that you will die from using them and especially if you have the spells (for unlimited use) they make clearing out vaults almost trivial. You don't get any xp because you just banished all the monsters but you get all the goodies with very little risk to your char (you can TO the uniques in the vault if you don't want to deal with them).
Destruction on the other hand destroys all the items as well so it is much harder to use for vault clearing.

Thanks very much, that's very helpful!