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Old October 15, 2017, 23:07   #31
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One question about (Deathswords) though; are they supposed to be able to gain Mana Brand or the Blessed abilities? Those essences haven't dropped from the appropriate sources.
Mana brand requires a mana pool to work and deathswords have no mana. Blessed only matters for certain types of priests. So in both cases no they're not intended-but-missing for deathswords.
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Old October 16, 2017, 00:19   #32
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It is a doesn't matter because it doesn't mess with anything so who cares.
Chris cares for sure. I figured mentioning no-difference is proven will prevent problems with Chris later.
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Old October 21, 2017, 17:43   #33
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Did potions of clarity get removed from the alchemist shop? (I'm yet to see 1 for sale) This seems harsh on the priest which was already slow to get rolling even with them. It's not like warriors don't get access to 4 towns worth of !ccw & had the faster game to begin with.

Edit:Found some in store, they are just rarer

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Old October 21, 2017, 19:37   #34
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Now that you mention it... I see plenty in deep, but not in town. Hmm...

edit: WTF! I was carrying three wanted corpses. Grendel, Rich and Poor the thief, then a bunch of tough fights later in the Icky Caves I noticed all three corpses were gone! Are they vulnerable to Fire/Acid or theft?

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Old October 21, 2017, 23:11   #35
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They are vulnerable to being eaten (as if they were food) and stolen (like any other object). There are other things that can destroy wanted corpses, but I don't know of any others that affect your pack.
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Old October 21, 2017, 23:24   #36
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They are vulnerable to being eaten (as if they were food) and stolen (like any other object). There are other things that can destroy wanted corpses, but I don't know of any others that affect your pack.
Ah, then likely the Cheerful Leprechauns... now I hate the little #^!%#@ even more...
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Old November 11, 2017, 16:19   #37
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I really hesitate to say anything more on oook, but here is one last try.

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Speaking as someone who hasn't played PosChengband in a long time, but has played an awful lot of roguelikes in general, I can say with good confidence that I just flat-out don't like having to identify items, and I have never seen a game that handles unidentified gear in a way that I felt was a net positive to the game -- Vanilla included! There are absolutely niche circumstances where having things in your pack that you don't know what they do can be an interesting issue, but they are always vastly outweighed by the tedium of having to figure out what all these items do before you can use them. ...
I think you are missing the point. I've had a lot of time recently to reflect on why I am so upset. Ultimately, what is really bothering me is a lack of respect for my creative efforts. This has been ongoing for 2 years and I have handled things very poorly. For that, I apologize.

The issue is not arguments for any particular design decision (which really should not be expected in a variant). Rather, what actually happened is that shortly after 4.0 was released, certain people, without comment or explanation, redesigned multiple significant aspects of my game. They did not create a variant. They didn't even bother to communicate with me at all. Instead, alternate versions of my game began appearing, and character dumps from these replacement versions began showing up on oook as Poschengband character dumps. It's hard to estimate how many, but I'd say at least 50%.

I was deeply hurt by this at the time. I don't handle these sorts of things well, so I just tried to accept and work with the situation. In fact, I took one issue in particular that people changed and tried to respond constructively, and that is the lore system. So when you read my two sharp edged questions above, keep that context in mind. Those questions are directed at a group of people who not only felt it was OK to change the work of others without comment, and then to present these changes as a replacement for the original, but who (probably) did not even bother to consider my 5.0 retort.

Let me ask you as a particular Angband developer. How would you feel if this happened on Angband? Suppose that without comment or explanation, I cloned the Angband repository and made extensive changes to game design, and then shared these changes with lots of other people. I'm not creating a variant, mind you, rather I'm creating an override version of Angband. My repository builds angband.exe and character dumps are posted on oook indistinguishable from real Angband dumps. Suppose that this went on for 2 years to the point where perhaps 50% of the dumps on the Angband ladder were other versions and not yours. Suppose that new players approaching Angband with a question are steered away from the original version to the replacement version. And finally, suppose that at this point, someone has the audacity to say to you that you have lost the spirit of Angband and that you really should not be working on it any more. Would you be hurt by this?

The bottom line is that I have spent 7 years and countless hours creating this game. I have no development team, so all the coding work is done by just me. I have strong opinions about what this game should be and that includes how it should be played. When all this happened, I was not really aware of what was bothering me, I simply turned to poison. Eventually I blew up. I definitely did not handle the situation well, and I apologize for that.

Creating variants is one thing, and is expected in rogue-like games. I encourage this. But variants should be variants. They should do something new, not override design decisions or undo a suite of commits. And they should never be posted on top of the original as was done here. They should not be presented as a replacement for the original either. In short, they should be a new game with original design goals.

The other issue is a new phenomenon, and that is that people are making extensive local mods and then posting as if they are playing my game. I don't think this is OK either. If you are changing game mechanics, are redesigning, then I think you are making a variant, in which case your results should not be posted as Poschengband. Even if all you are changing is lib/edit stuff. For example, Entroband was little more than edit file changes, yet was its own variant. You don't see Entroband dumps posted as if they were Hengband.

Ultimately, whether this sort of behavior is OK is up the oook community. Probably, there should be some sort of policy regarding these sorts of things so that players and developers alike can know what to expect.
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Old November 11, 2017, 16:37   #38
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chris, if you request us to communicate with you? What is the best way? PM? When you you told me the last time, email is not the way.
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I'm sympathetic with your wanting variations to use different names. I agree they should. But your saying variations should also be required to be vastly different from the thing they fork from and not quality of life "I prefer it this way" tweaks that parallel the base game is simply not legitimate. If as you claim ~50% of dumps from your game are using these tweaks, well, it goes to show they are damn popular tweaks! And yes they should go under a different name, but it's totally insane to demand that a fork be a totally different game instead of quality of life changes.

You have a very particular vision of how your players are supposed to play and what types of fun are allowable. Great, that can guide your own play and development, but there's no reason others should be forced to take what they experience as the bad design choices with the good. One of the goals of open source is that people can tweak things to get the exact experience they prefer and not just use preexisting code for a very different project.

I don't want your feelings to be hurt. People tweak your game because they enjoy it enough to care about making their play experience even better. It's a tribute to you and your work that people care enough to mod it and keep playing at all. A name change for modded versions is a good idea, but demanding more than that is not okay.
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Old November 17, 2017, 09:40   #40
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Chris do you mind looking at reforging sometime? For 320k on an elven cloak I get an anti-teleport cloak. For 420k on an elven cloak +4 search/stealth and si. If you look at the fame requirents for that power level it's not even close to keeping up. Outside of dark lights for ninjas I don't see what it does currently other then turn gold into trash.
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