Angband.oook.cz
Angband.oook.cz
AboutVariantsLadderForumCompetitionComicScreenshotsFunniesLinks

Go Back   Angband Forums > Angband > AAR

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old December 15, 2017, 11:36   #1
Juutas
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 4
Juutas is on a distinguished road
My try with speed diving.

I've never been a fan of fast diving, but decided to give it a go. Started a half-troll warrior. DL 2 found gloves of free action and dethanc, dived quickly downwards found Elesser. Ran through some lowlvl unique orcs and p's. Found a armor of resistance. Overall decent gear but no rblind and low stats. @clvl 28 found a potion of experience --> clvl 31. Dived to dlvl 38 with a few of ?deep descent, got surrounded by Z's and teleported straight into arms of W Adunaphel the Quiet. Got blinded, failed to activate Elessar and W with his escorts quickly pounded me into a pulp.

Definately going to try speed diving again, though I have to figure out when to stop diving to gain stats. Although I was a bit careless, should have just ran away when I saw the level feeling of 7-2.
Juutas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 15, 2017, 11:56   #2
Philip
Knight
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Prague,Czech Republic
Posts: 812
Philip is on a distinguished road
I am quite certain that stopping diving to gain stats is not a reasonable strategy. I am not convinced it ever was, to be honest.

I suspect your problem was playing a half-troll warrior, one of the lowest stealth combinations in the game. While the monsters that killed you are always awake, more stealth is a necessity in general. Especially if you have no detection, like a warrior. Half-troll rogue is good, since your abilities end up complementing each other quite nicely. For newer players trying diving I would recommend rogues (half-troll/hobbit/kobold/high-elf mostly cover the bases) or mages (hobbit/gnome/elf, since XP penalty is nasty on a mage, and I would not recommend half-troll stealth to anyone who isn't particularly confident in their ability to play around low stealth.
Philip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 15, 2017, 12:14   #3
Juutas
Rookie
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 4
Juutas is on a distinguished road
I've been playing since frogknows but got only 3 (2 save scummed) winners under my belt. I've always been a slow grind type player and my characters tend to die around clvl 20-30. This diving business if new to me but it is definately yelding better results than grinding. I guess it just takes time to learn new tactics. I think I'll go with a rogue next time.
Juutas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 16, 2017, 14:44   #4
Grotug
Knight
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 835
Grotug is on a distinguished road
My best luck with super fast wins is with Half Troll Warrior. I like to play with forced descent on to help move things along. You can really crash dive to DL16 and if you get a 'thanc and FrAct early on then you pretty much can crash dive to DL28 without too much trouble. I think my best run with that combo was around 44k turns (maybe just under that). When crash diving with that HT/Warrior the DL40s tend to be a bit scary due to lack of detection against scary things like drolems. But if you keep moving quickly, not resting too much (not much need to, really) and not spending much time on each level, you often can get some great gear without a run in with a dreadful drolem.

One reason I like forced descent is it complements my playstyle of wanting to fight everything I can. Most of my gear in these sorts of games comes from drops, rather than vaults. Plus, it has the added bonus of not needing rNexus when fighting sauron and morgoth, since no one can teleport you off level as long as the boss you are fighting is alive, since forced descent prevents you from going up a level and endgame bosses prevent you from going down a level (only while they are alive, of course).
Grotug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 16, 2017, 16:35   #5
Philip
Knight
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Prague,Czech Republic
Posts: 812
Philip is on a distinguished road
I don't think that moving fast in the early game constitutes (power) diving - the threats there are minor and the XP that is trivially available means that you will spend pretty much no time at dlvl > clvl*2, which I would take as something of a necessary condition for diving. Obviously a clear and unambiguous definition of diving is impossible to create, but it would be nice to have some form of consensus about what it means, since everyone seems to have a different idea of what it is.
Philip is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Diving with mage. Pete Mack Vanilla 20 October 6, 2016 01:22
Questions about diving and eq Talharim Vanilla 5 August 6, 2015 09:57
Question about diving Wraitheist Vanilla 55 April 6, 2011 06:54
Diving Larvitz Vanilla 2 January 30, 2009 20:47
Need some advice before diving further Wraitheist Vanilla 17 September 1, 2008 15:10


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:57.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.