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Old August 25, 2014, 03:12   #1
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Kelek's Grimoire of Power for Rogues

This book appears pretty much useless for a rogue. The only spell in there that is legible is Bedlam (confusion ball).

Space is becoming a premium now for my rogue:

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Should I just get rid of this book and save the space?
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Old August 25, 2014, 03:19   #2
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Yes. (filling up to 10 chars)
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Old August 25, 2014, 04:43   #3
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Yep. Not all books are useful for all classes. Paladins don't like either Holy Infusions or Purifications and Healings, for example.
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Old August 25, 2014, 07:34   #4
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Raal's also leaves a lot to be desired for Rogues. Squelch city.
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Old August 25, 2014, 10:29   #5
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Typical! Within ten minutes of reading this post, guess what my rogue found on dlvl12?

I'm blaming you, Bombadil, for ruining a perfectly good 'superb' level!


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Old August 25, 2014, 14:23   #6
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Wow that was not nice of you, Bombadil! Without no-selling, youŽd at least get the value of a stat potion for it.
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Old August 26, 2014, 21:26   #7
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Yep. Not all books are useful for all classes. Paladins don't like either Holy Infusions or Purifications and Healings, for example.
This raises an interesting question. If the books are pending a redesign, should every book be (more or less) worth an inventory slot for every (applicable) class?

Yes: finding every book feels good
No: why spread fewer spells (for non priest/Mage classes) over more slots?

Which would be preferable I wonder.

Related: with no selling turned on, could/should useless spell books (e.g. Holy spell books when playing arcane casters) be auto-squelched/never generated?). Would probably create less irrelevant level feelings (with the way they work now)
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Old August 26, 2014, 22:11   #8
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Here's another brain storm idea just for the sake of thinking outside the box:

Why do we need to limit each spellbook to 5-8 spells? It could be 14 spells or some other number.


Here's another brain storm idea:

Can we add the spell "Brain Storm"?
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Old August 26, 2014, 22:39   #9
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In restructured V, everything to do with books is an edit file change.

Less books for half casters is certainly a possibility, with spells redistributed as required.
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Old September 6, 2014, 09:58   #10
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OK, here's a thought: books you can buy in town contain spells usable by all the classes that can use that specific book. More powerful books you find in the dungeon are specific to a spell casting class. So, you'd have books usable by mages only, by rogues only and so on.

This would allow removing spells only used by a specific class to a specific dungeon-find book, and hence condensing the town books. In fact, if you increase the number of slots per book, you could have only 1 or 2 books of each type purchasable in town - that includes all the spells useable by a magic-using type or all spells usable by a prayer-using type.
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