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Old April 12, 2012, 15:58   #1
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Shockbolt tileset

Angband 3.4-dev comes with this new tileset. It looks great, albeit unfinished, and after doing some testing, I've got a few questions.

The licence:
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Before today, it was clearly stated that the tileset could only be used in V, meaning that no more variant could be created from the current V code anymore. The new statement in copying.txt is less restrictive, but still too vague.

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Permission is granted to:
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- use the tileset with in-development and released versions of Angband
- incorporate tiles designed by the author for variants of Angband and use and distribute them with Angband under the terms above

Permission is not granted to:
[...]
- use or distribute the tileset with other games or projects
This still doesn't say if you can use the tileset in variants, just that the author can draw tiles for variants and add them in V as an universal 64x64 tileset. The problem is that some code has been added as part of the core of V code (mostly the latest additions from Bluebaron: graphics.txt, handling of alphablending and double-height tiles).

So what about variants? Can we use the tileset "as it is" in our variants? I bet the author won't have the time to redraw all tiles for all variants in the world... and for all new ones. Or will we have to remove the tileset in variants?

Universal 64x64 tileset:
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What's the current state of this tileset in V? How many tiles have been remapped from the 32x32 tileset and how many are left?

Display problems:
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It seems that the cursor is not correctly updated when checking something with a double-height tile. Any idea why?
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Old April 12, 2012, 17:48   #2
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I can't answer for Shockbolt but IMO it would be really helpful for a number of reasons if the tiles could use a Creative Commons licence. BY-NC-ND seems like it would fit the bill.
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Old April 12, 2012, 20:07   #3
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As far as the cursor update. There does seem to be a minor bug there, although it's much better than it was before the most recent blubaron fixes. I put it in the class of minor bugs that would be nice to have fixed for 3.4 but won't really prevent the release.

I haven't tracked down the error but graphical display is probably my weakest area of the code.

If you find any other anomalies with tiles, please let me know.
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Old April 12, 2012, 21:20   #4
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@PowerWyrm : as stated in the text, permission must be acquired in order to use the tileset with variants, it's as simple as sending me an e-mail asking to use the tiles with a specific variant of Angband.

As before, the tileset was painted for free, I spent hundreds of hours painting these tiles and therefor I want somewhat control over how they are used, I'd hate for them to end up in a game that anyone has to pay for to play.

By requesting permission to use the tiles by e-mail, I can at least have a record of which variant is using the tiles with my blessings.

The tileset is complete, but I can't say if any new additions to creatures/items have been added to the game after the tileset was completed late in 2011.

Andi/Takkaria I assume, would not let me use the former copyrights, so the text had to be changed so he could avoid any legal matters tied to the tileset and Angband V.
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So as I understand it, your main objection to Creative Commons is that you want to maintain some level of control over which projects can use the tiles. Even if functionally the result is that any project that would qualify for CC-BY-NC-ND (or whatever) would also get your approval.

Incidentally, thanks again for making those tiles. They're gorgeous.
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I'm not a licence expert by any means, but I thought the whole point of the ND licences was no (re)distribution without permission, just as NC prohibits anyone charging people for a work which uses them. So it's hard to see what's achieved by the custom text.
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I'm not a licence expert by any means, but I thought the whole point of the ND licences was no (re)distribution without permission, just as NC prohibits anyone charging people for a work which uses them. So it's hard to see what's achieved by the custom text.
The ND is not "no redistribution", it's "no derivatives" - which means that you can use it how you like but you can't change it.
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Incidentally, thanks again for making those tiles. They're gorgeous.
Thanks! What I would love to see done "next" is creating a proper village using custom tiles, instead of the blocks of stonewalls currently displayed as shops. I have already made much of the graphics for this and logically thinking, it shouldn't be too much work to change the code for that, if this is something you guys want to see in the game.
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The ND is not "no redistribution", it's "no derivatives" - which means that you can use it how you like but you can't change it.
Ah, thank you. I hadn't understood that - I see now why the CC licences don't work for Shockbolt, since there isn't one that allows a permission-led redistribution. Fair enough. I will keep looking for an off-the-shelf licence that does what he wants though, because the free legal advice inherent in such licences is worth quite a lot.
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Thanks! What I would love to see done "next" is creating a proper village using custom tiles, instead of the blocks of stonewalls currently displayed as shops. I have already made much of the graphics for this and logically thinking, it shouldn't be too much work to change the code for that, if this is something you guys want to see in the game.
I for one can't imagine why a better village situation would be a bad thing, especially considering it is the first thing seen by a new player and that generally impacts initial receptions and reactions in a big way.
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