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Old May 17, 2009, 11:18   #1
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@#$% Vista!

I ran into a launching problem: when trying to launch angband 3.1.0 beta, it wouldn't. I was ripping CD's at the time. After restart, it launched fine, though I did not re-test while Media Player (tm) was running.

Now you know. Oh, OS is Vista64 on a centrino dual core. Notebook, in case it matters.

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Old May 18, 2009, 19:07   #2
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Try running it in compatibility mode for XP, might help prevent that from happening again.

On a related note, no problems running Angband 3.1.0 on Windows 7 beta
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Old May 19, 2009, 00:48   #3
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I'm on x64 Vista on a Q9650 CPU and have no such problems. It's incredibly unlikely that a launching problem with Angband is Vista related... But of course Vista will get blamed - just listen to the PC vs Mac ads on TV - Vista is awful lol... (ya right.)
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Old May 19, 2009, 05:20   #4
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Vista is a pretty lousy operating system, all things considered. They added a half-done gfx system that Apple delivered 5 years earlier, they increased bloat by 100%, and they screwed over the device makers by not coming out with a usable beta in time for them to fix their drivers. And they added draconian DRM stuff that causes random failures when you add a new device.

Ask any Microsoftie: Windows 7 Beta or XP are the better client releases. They all run one of those two, or Windows Server, which is way too expensive for home use.
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Old May 19, 2009, 22:50   #5
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Vista sucked when it released no question about it. Did it suck worse than XP when XP released? Probably not.

Windows 7 is basically a Vista service pack + some features. The only reason they've named it Windows 7 rather than Vista is that they let Vista get such a bad rep they're going to have to burry that name. The fact that they let this happen was inexcusable but it wasn't entirely Vista's fault. Don't get me started on what a terrible CEO Steve Ballmer has been.

I've been running Vista since it released - I do know about Vista sucking. It doesn't suck any more. Install Vista SP1, turn off UAC (user account control) immediately, let it download a ton of updates and it works great. If you get Vista from some OEM preloaded with all manner of junk then yes, your PC may be slow - but that's all the crap the manufacturers load, not the OS.
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Old May 20, 2009, 15:37   #6
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I've been running Vista since it released - I do know about Vista sucking. It doesn't suck any more. Install Vista SP1, turn off UAC (user account control) immediately, let it download a ton of updates and it works great. If you get Vista from some OEM preloaded with all manner of junk then yes, your PC may be slow - but that's all the crap the manufacturers load, not the OS.
Oh yea, it suck. I work as an admin of a small network, and had a chance to personally test Vista vs XP with the exact same machines. (12 Intel Core Duo 2gb, installed vista on 3 of them, different soft tweaks to experiment) Even after massive vista tweaking (disabling superfetching, indexing, pram, ...), performance on XP beats Vista on E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G (some things by just a bit but, but anyway...) For gamers, you can be sure that it is BULLSH#T the reports that some sites say that you get better FPS on vista; with Doom 3 and Fear, i've consistently got worse FPS and worse loading times. Vista doesnt even has PROPER open-gl support, it is (badly) emulated into DX routines, so any Opengl-only stuff are already frakked.
The XP advanced search was perfect. Vista search, even with Index on (if you want to have your HD dying once a year and an overall ~10% slower machine), is completely lacking and dumb. I can't see any feature that improved Vista over XP; In fact, they removed or worsened many things. Explorer (and the file system handling) is really slow compared to XP, so that Vista explorer doesn't show anymore folder sizes, that were shown instantly on XP. Vista naturally has many more strange kernel-embed pooling routines than XP, and pooling KILLS performance.
I can tell (not my words) Vista is like jessica simpson, looks nice but can't do any housework.

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Old May 20, 2009, 15:52   #7
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Vista is like jessica simpson, looks nice but can't do any housework.
Thank you - that's going into my quotes file.
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