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Old September 22, 2014, 18:15   #1
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Exclamation Game crash - inscribe ammo w/ @f8

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I was inscribing my more powerful arrows to keep them at the bottom of my munitions list, and noticed that if I inscribed the first stack with @f9, trying to inscribe the second stack with @f8, or @f7, or anything else caused my game to crash. However, if I did it the other way, inscribing the @f8 first, then the @f9, it's fine. Anyone else experienced this yet?

Could it have anything to do with the fact that when I inscribed the @f9, the list of ammunition expands out to show f2-f7 being (nothing)? When I inscribed @f8, the list didn't expand...

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Old September 22, 2014, 21:19   #2
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The quiver crash bug was reported often in the 3.5 dev and still persists. A crash will often occur if you inscribe ammo higher than an empty quiver slot. E.g., you have ammo {@f0=g} and {@f1=g}. You find a great Holy Might ammo and want to inscribe it high up in the quiver, so you try: {@f8=g}. Bang! The game crashes. Inscribing past those empty quiver slots 2-7 results in a game crash. Currently, to avoid the quiver crash you should inscribe ammo without leaving empty slots.

Note, once you use up ammo in an intervening slot, that slot will be empty in the quiver. E.g., you had ammo inscribed at 0, 1, 2, and 3. If you use up all of slot 2, it will be empty. Don't try inscribing at 4 until you fill 2 back up or you risk the crash.
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Old September 22, 2014, 23:58   #3
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Hi Oraticus - welcome along!

Out of interest, are you using 3.5dev or 3.5 proper?
I haven't had any problems with this crash since the actual (Christmas Eve) release, but maybe I just trained myself to avoid it without noticing.
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Old September 24, 2014, 14:01   #4
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Thanks for the quick reply... yeah, I figured it had to be something someone had already noticed, but didn't find a thread on it.

I'm pretty sure it was just 3.5.0... no where did I see "Dev". Whatever version is linked from the main page of http://rephial.org/.

It seems to be fine if I inscribe them in ascending order, or at least as long as the ammo list hasn't expanded. I suppose I'll make sure to only mess with it when I arrive on a new floor so the autosave feature can do its thing just in case.

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Old September 24, 2014, 16:08   #5
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I'm pretty sure it was just 3.5.0... no where did I see "Dev". Whatever version is linked from the main page of http://rephial.org/.
Yep, that'll be the actual release then.
Just be sure to use the '@f...' inscriptions in order. You can put more than one type of ammo at, say, @f2. What I do is put normal ammo at @f0, magic ammo at @f1 and excellent at @f2, superlative at @f3 - irrespective of how many types of magic or excellent ammo I have. That way things tend to inscribe in order.
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Old September 25, 2014, 03:39   #6
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I used to do the same, average at @f0, magical at @f1, etc. But then you need to adjust when you stop using or have used up average missiles, or you get the crash upon inscribing higher than the empty f0 slot.

At some point, I just stopped inscribing slots and just went with =g and look at the monster info and decide which ammo to fire from there.
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Old November 1, 2014, 19:14   #7
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Thanks for the quick reply... yeah, I figured it had to be something someone had already noticed, but didn't find a thread on it.

I'm pretty sure it was just 3.5.0... no where did I see "Dev". Whatever version is linked from the main page of http://rephial.org/.

It seems to be fine if I inscribe them in ascending order, or at least as long as the ammo list hasn't expanded. I suppose I'll make sure to only mess with it when I arrive on a new floor so the autosave feature can do its thing just in case.
I can't reproduce this bug though I've been trying quite hard. Would appreciate knowing if you can reliably make it happen & what steps to take. Also, are you using Windows or another platform?
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Old November 2, 2014, 05:46   #8
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I can't reproduce this bug though I've been trying quite hard. Would appreciate knowing if you can reliably make it happen & what steps to take. Also, are you using Windows or another platform?
I get this crash on OSX as I used to get on Windows. To reproduce the crash try this, every time you pick up ammo - wield it; inscribe it with "@f6=g", or some such where the slot is well above the filled ammo slots in the quiver. If not every time, at least quite often, you should get the game crash.
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I get this crash on OSX as I used to get on Windows. To reproduce the crash try this, every time you pick up ammo - wield it; inscribe it with "@f6=g", or some such where the slot is well above the filled ammo slots in the quiver. If not every time, at least quite often, you should get the game crash.
OK, thanks for this, good to know it's still present and I'm not chasing after ghosts!

So I've tried repeatedly picking up/inscribing/firing/dropping ammo, some of which is inscribed with "@fX=g", where X is variable, but I can't make the game crash at all. Can you reproduce it more reliably than that?

Is the order important? Does the crash occur when you're already wielding something your quiver and you inscribe it with @fX? Or is when you wield something to it that is already inscribed?

Thanks for your help with this!
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I've tried anything I could think of, wasn't able to reproduce it. I guess the only way is to ask for a savefile prior to the crash and try in debug mode.
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