Oops. *Destroyed* Morgoth

AndyS · March 14, 2019, 00:30

But not in the way I meant to.

I used a destruction scroll. I didnt even have to, I should have just blinked. I couldnt see him but he had LOS because he blasted me with heavy damage spells 3 or 4 times in a row.

Here's the part that should be good for a laugh if he's gone for good. It's an ironman game.

Will he ever be regenerated? He's not in the dungeon, ive been back and forth across it 5x. Guess I should have used that scroll before he was around. I didnt know it would vanish him permanently (if it did, Im tired of waiting though).

The really crappy thing is that I would have beaten him. My mistakes in previous ironman tries were diving too quickly without consumables, figuring Id pick them on the mid 90s levels but then being forced to dive and then being shorthanded for Morgoth.

This time I was meticulous. A billion turns. I stopped diving and cleared most levels from about 85 on. Not the way I prefer to play but I was determined to win with forced descent just once. A very, very, dumb mistake reading that scroll. I was in no real jeopardy, but I was wasting healing potions.

So... any chance he's coming back? Or did I add to the dumbest move ever list.

AndyS · March 14, 2019, 00:52

Useless level too cant even creat traps and hope for a summoning one that might reincarnate him. Argh.

Pete Mack · March 14, 2019, 01:22

He will eventually regenerate, yes. It can take a while--rest 10000 until he wakes you up. Hopefully you won't starve to death in the mwantime.

AndyS · March 14, 2019, 01:47

Ah relief. Thank you! Damn, I stopped carrying hunger scrolls and just ate off the floor for ages. And I have free slots. All those dilemmas about what to carry and then you get to 100 you dont need most of them. But hunger yes. If it comes around to haunt me then I've learned 2 lessons. thanks for the reply, would have been bitter to gas this character.

Pete Mack · March 14, 2019, 01:55

Note: if there is a permawall vault, there is a chance he won't find you. In any case, you can clear the level before he shows up. If there is a master Q or the like, it will summon M pretty reliably.

Derakon · March 14, 2019, 01:56

It'd probably be a worthwhile change to say "if a quest monster gets removed from the level without being killed, they are immediately added back to the level somewhere." I think the only valid cases are Destruction, or embedding Sauron in solid rock, but either way it's a crappy way to derail an endgame ironman character.

AndyS · March 14, 2019, 02:10

Really crappy way!!!

Grotug · March 14, 2019, 13:24

I did the same thing once and he never came back. I burned over 100,000 turns. You could try finding summoning staffs and seeing if you can summon him. Sometimes at the end of ironman games if I've run out of levels but need more stuff or character levels I'll use recharge scrolls on summon staffs and TO the undesirables. Could be useful now. (I didn't think of this when I had destructed Morgoth).

AndyS · April 27, 2019, 00:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grotug

I did the same thing once and he never came back. I burned over 100,000 turns. You could try finding summoning staffs and seeing if you can summon him. Sometimes at the end of ironman games if I've run out of levels but need more stuff or character levels I'll use recharge scrolls on summon staffs and TO the undesirables. Could be useful now. (I didn't think of this when I had destructed Morgoth).

He came back that game (and killed me) but the game I am playing currently he's not coming back. Maybe someone can see if I did something wrong. Every few days I'll log in and play for a bit but Ive killed every unique now (I think), I havent kept track but it seems like 100s of 1000s of turns I have waited. i still have a few satisfy hunger lying around the dungeon but it really doenst seem like hes coming back. I had to use most of my good potions anyway fighting all the highest uniques while waiting for him. I might still have enough to beat him though.

I've had a few tough losses on DL 100 playing ironman now.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=22492

edit, sorry, i ts the first time I ever dumped a character and didnt really understand it. I guess there is no way you could tell what happened just from that info

wobbly · April 27, 2019, 05:24

How much of the level have you destructed? It feels a bit to me like the game struggles to place him on a fully destructed level. It's certainly where I've seen it happen. Took a quick look & couldn't see any reason why that'd be. I'll have a closer look later, I'm just away for a couple of a days.

March 14, 2019, 00:30	#1
AndyS Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 60	*Oops. Destroyed* Morgoth** But not in the way I meant to. I used a destruction scroll. I didnt even have to, I should have just blinked. I couldnt see him but he had LOS because he blasted me with heavy damage spells 3 or 4 times in a row. Here's the part that should be good for a laugh if he's gone for good. It's an ironman game. Will he ever be regenerated? He's not in the dungeon, ive been back and forth across it 5x. Guess I should have used that scroll before he was around. I didnt know it would vanish him permanently (if it did, Im tired of waiting though). The really crappy thing is that I would have beaten him. My mistakes in previous ironman tries were diving too quickly without consumables, figuring Id pick them on the mid 90s levels but then being forced to dive and then being shorthanded for Morgoth. This time I was meticulous. A billion turns. I stopped diving and cleared most levels from about 85 on. Not the way I prefer to play but I was determined to win with forced descent just once. A very, very, dumb mistake reading that scroll. I was in no real jeopardy, but I was wasting healing potions. So... any chance he's coming back? Or did I add to the dumbest move ever list.

March 14, 2019, 13:24	#8
Grotug Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 1,169	I did the same thing once and he never came back. I burned over 100,000 turns. You could try finding summoning staffs and seeing if you can summon him. Sometimes at the end of ironman games if I've run out of levels but need more stuff or character levels I'll use recharge scrolls on summon staffs and TO the undesirables. Could be useful now. (I didn't think of this when I had destructed Morgoth). __________________ Detailed account of my Ironman win here.

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March 14, 2019, 00:52	#2
AndyS Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 60	Useless level too cant even creat traps and hope for a summoning one that might reincarnate him. Argh.

March 14, 2019, 01:22	#3
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,420 Donated: $40	He will eventually regenerate, yes. It can take a while--rest 10000 until he wakes you up. Hopefully you won't starve to death in the mwantime.

March 14, 2019, 01:47	#4
AndyS Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 60	Ah relief. Thank you! Damn, I stopped carrying hunger scrolls and just ate off the floor for ages. And I have free slots. All those dilemmas about what to carry and then you get to 100 you dont need most of them. But hunger yes. If it comes around to haunt me then I've learned 2 lessons. thanks for the reply, would have been bitter to gas this character.

March 14, 2019, 01:55	#5
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,420 Donated: $40	Note: if there is a permawall vault, there is a chance he won't find you. In any case, you can clear the level before he shows up. If there is a master Q or the like, it will summon M pretty reliably.

March 14, 2019, 01:56	#6
Derakon Prophet Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 8,946	It'd probably be a worthwhile change to say "if a quest monster gets removed from the level without being killed, they are immediately added back to the level somewhere." I think the only valid cases are Destruction, or embedding Sauron in solid rock, but either way it's a crappy way to derail an endgame ironman character.

March 14, 2019, 02:10	#7
AndyS Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 60	Really crappy way!!!

April 27, 2019, 05:24	#10
wobbly Veteran Join Date: May 2012 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 2,109	How much of the level have you destructed? It feels a bit to me like the game struggles to place him on a fully destructed level. It's certainly where I've seen it happen. Took a quick look & couldn't see any reason why that'd be. I'll have a closer look later, I'm just away for a couple of a days.

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