Feature Request / Discussion

dhegler · August 12, 2011, 16:33

What about adding a probability that missile-based wands, spells, etc have a chance of bouncing off a wall at a certain angle? Missiles themselves have sharp points and will get stuck in the wall, but magic does not. It may provide for some interesting strategy in fights and imagine making an ASC where these things have the chance of bouncing back at you!

dhegler · August 12, 2011, 16:38

Also, what about there are "x" monsters allowed to be "alive" on a level at once? Or until the level changes. Two benefits: louse infections that seem to clog up an entire dungeon which is more annoying than purposeful, and people can only "farm" breeders so long. And/or put a flag in the monster file that specifies breed limits per monster. So, you can keep lice annoying, but controlled, and prevent ooze farming, etc by specifying a lower threshold of them...

dhegler · August 12, 2011, 16:40

I'm on a roll... Specify the "goodness" of a level, once you find out, in the footer of the screen with 0-10 or some measurement of the two new modes of levels feelings... When running around, I probably miss half of the SECOND feeling messages on a level and sometimes don't remember to CTRL-F it before I leave the level... Don't get me wrong, I love the new way of doing it, but the second notification gets missed too easily.

dhegler · August 12, 2011, 16:42

One more... Why don't monsters wake up when their buddies are getting slaughtered in a square next to them? I can see if some magic spells would not wake up nearby monsters, but as my rogue is slaughtering an orc with a dagger right next to 20 of them, I think at least 1 of his friends would wake up.

dhegler · August 12, 2011, 17:35

Why aren't there any pile of rubble {:} in rooms? And, why can't some monsters cross piles of rubble?

fizzix · August 12, 2011, 23:33

I'll address two of the questions.

1 - level feelings. I am not sure it's worth the extra clutter on the screen. I figured that if people cared about the level feelings they'd CTRL-F for them. There might be a way to make this more obvious to new players. Right now, you're not in the habit of asking for the feeling, but you will be after a couple play throughs, I promise.

2 - monsters and rubble. Right now rubble is a good way for a character to leave areas of the dungeon blocked off so monsters can get to them. However, I'd rather that be an active action done by jamming doors, earthquakes, and the non-existant wizard-lock spell. I'd be in favor of allowing some monsters to pass rubble (birds) some to be completely stopped by it (hounds) some that can dig through it (people) and some that can remove it in a single turn (dragons).

As for rubble in the middle of the room. I think we should actually add statues randomly in the dungeon. Statues can have treasure on them that you can search for. Golems should be statue mimics that have a chance of awakening when @ is next to them. This is way off in left-field though.

Zyphyr · August 13, 2011, 00:28

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Originally Posted by fizzix

As for rubble in the middle of the room. I think we should actually add statues randomly in the dungeon. Statues can have treasure on them that you can search for. Golems should be statue mimics that have a chance of awakening when @ is next to them. This is way off in left-field though.

I like this idea very much.

Antoine · August 13, 2011, 02:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhegler

One more... Why don't monsters wake up when their buddies are getting slaughtered in a square next to them? I can see if some magic spells would not wake up nearby monsters, but as my rogue is slaughtering an orc with a dagger right next to 20 of them, I think at least 1 of his friends would wake up.

Quickband has this

A.

Therem Harth · August 14, 2011, 02:52

I think that ought to depend on the weapon used. Maybe lighter weapons, particularly pointy ones, should have a tendency not to wake nearby monsters... Especially when used by a rogue.

That being said, V is weighted far too much in favor of light weapons already, IMHO. Perhaps monster AC should be taken into account, with heavier weapons being better at piercing heavier armor. Or something like that... I mean, using a whip against an ancient dragon should really get you nowhere fast.

Edit: as for statue-mimicking golems... That sounds awesome, actually.

fizzix · August 14, 2011, 05:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therem Harth

That being said, V is weighted far too much in favor of light weapons already, IMHO. Perhaps monster AC should be taken into account, with heavier weapons being better at piercing heavier armor. Or something like that... I mean, using a whip against an ancient dragon should really get you nowhere fast.

I attempted this, by splitting monster AC into an 'absorption' and an 'evasion'. However, it didn't quite work that well for various reasons. That being said, Magnate maintains interest in this, and it may get tried again.

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dhegler Swordsman Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 252	Feature Request / Discussion What about adding a probability that missile-based wands, spells, etc have a chance of bouncing off a wall at a certain angle? Missiles themselves have sharp points and will get stuck in the wall, but magic does not. It may provide for some interesting strategy in fights and imagine making an ASC where these things have the chance of bouncing back at you!

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August 12, 2011, 16:38	#2
dhegler Swordsman Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 252	Also, what about there are "x" monsters allowed to be "alive" on a level at once? Or until the level changes. Two benefits: louse infections that seem to clog up an entire dungeon which is more annoying than purposeful, and people can only "farm" breeders so long. And/or put a flag in the monster file that specifies breed limits per monster. So, you can keep lice annoying, but controlled, and prevent ooze farming, etc by specifying a lower threshold of them...

August 12, 2011, 16:40	#3
dhegler Swordsman Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 252	I'm on a roll... Specify the "goodness" of a level, once you find out, in the footer of the screen with 0-10 or some measurement of the two new modes of levels feelings... When running around, I probably miss half of the SECOND feeling messages on a level and sometimes don't remember to CTRL-F it before I leave the level... Don't get me wrong, I love the new way of doing it, but the second notification gets missed too easily.

August 12, 2011, 16:42	#4
dhegler Swordsman Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 252	One more... Why don't monsters wake up when their buddies are getting slaughtered in a square next to them? I can see if some magic spells would not wake up nearby monsters, but as my rogue is slaughtering an orc with a dagger right next to 20 of them, I think at least 1 of his friends would wake up.

August 12, 2011, 17:35	#5
dhegler Swordsman Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 252	Why aren't there any pile of rubble {:} in rooms? And, why can't some monsters cross piles of rubble?

August 12, 2011, 23:33	#6
fizzix Prophet Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Madison, Wisconsin, US Posts: 3,025	I'll address two of the questions. 1 - level feelings. I am not sure it's worth the extra clutter on the screen. I figured that if people cared about the level feelings they'd CTRL-F for them. There might be a way to make this more obvious to new players. Right now, you're not in the habit of asking for the feeling, but you will be after a couple play throughs, I promise. 2 - monsters and rubble. Right now rubble is a good way for a character to leave areas of the dungeon blocked off so monsters can get to them. However, I'd rather that be an active action done by jamming doors, earthquakes, and the non-existant wizard-lock spell. I'd be in favor of allowing some monsters to pass rubble (birds) some to be completely stopped by it (hounds) some that can dig through it (people) and some that can remove it in a single turn (dragons). As for rubble in the middle of the room. I think we should actually add statues randomly in the dungeon. Statues can have treasure on them that you can search for. Golems should be statue mimics that have a chance of awakening when @ is next to them. This is way off in left-field though.

August 14, 2011, 02:52	#9
Therem Harth Knight Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 926	I think that ought to depend on the weapon used. Maybe lighter weapons, particularly pointy ones, should have a tendency not to wake nearby monsters... Especially when used by a rogue. That being said, V is weighted far too much in favor of light weapons already, IMHO. Perhaps monster AC should be taken into account, with heavier weapons being better at piercing heavier armor. Or something like that... I mean, using a whip against an ancient dragon should really get you nowhere fast. Edit: as for statue-mimicking golems... That sounds awesome, actually.

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