Tenser's Mage Spells

Hallen · July 22, 2008, 11:25

I'm playing a Mage in Angband v3.0.9b and recently got my first copy of Tenser's Transformations. I've not played a Mage in a long time so I don't know if this is a recent change or was done long ago, but I was shocked to see the spells inside.

4 illegible spells
Greater Recharging
Elemental Brand

Tenser's used to be arguably the most important spell book. Now it's reduced to something I don't think I'll even bother carrying around with me.

Is this a bug or a feature?

zaimoni · July 22, 2008, 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallen

I'm playing a Mage in Angband v3.0.9b and recently got my first copy of Tenser's Transformations. I've not played a Mage in a long time so I don't know if this is a recent change or was done long ago, but I was shocked to see the spells inside.

4 illegible spells
Greater Recharging
Elemental Brand

Tenser's used to be arguably the most important spell book. Now it's reduced to something I don't think I'll even bother carrying around with me.

Is this a bug or a feature?

The damage was done long ago (V3.0.0).

Narvius · July 22, 2008, 14:11

What are the four illegible spells?

Mangojuice · July 22, 2008, 17:58

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Originally Posted by Narvius

What are the four illegible spells?

Heroism, Berserker, Enchant Armor, and Enchant Weapon.

Narvius · July 22, 2008, 18:57

...and why would they be removed? They don't seem overly powerful.

Elsairon · July 23, 2008, 08:33

They aren't removed, just not available for the mage class.

Hallen · July 23, 2008, 09:59

So what you end up with is a spell book that's pointless for a mage to bother carrying around. I'd be better off leaving it in my house and saving on weight.

That feels wrong to me. Maybe my play style is different from everyone else's but i don't use bows and arrows when I'm playing a mage (beyond the first few levels, anyway). I thought that perhaps a mage should cast spells instead. And recharging? I can see some slight use for it very occasionally but no more than that.

I can understand some movement of spells between books, and some reorganisation of spells in general, but this seems like the reorganisation has gone a little too far.

Narvius · July 23, 2008, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Elsairon

They aren't removed, just not available for the mage class.

Yeah, I'm smart enough to know that. "Removed" is just shorter and I thought everyone would know what I mean. Still, what's the reason?

zaimoni · July 23, 2008, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Narvius

Yeah, I'm smart enough to know that. "Removed" is just shorter and I thought everyone would know what I mean. Still, what's the reason?

Part of the intent of the JLE patch was to make mages play like AD&D mages (combat wimps that use spells), rather than like Tolkien mages (which seem also to be combat monsters). Which sort of misses the point that Tenser codifies what a combat mage does in 1st ed AD&D (thus the name of the book).

It was a lot more obvious that Globe of Invulnerability was game-breaking, than that crossbows/bows in general were close to game-breaking.

Narvius · July 23, 2008, 19:18

Will they be returned in the upcoming version?

July 22, 2008, 11:25	#1
Hallen Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2	Tenser's Mage Spells I'm playing a Mage in Angband v3.0.9b and recently got my first copy of Tenser's Transformations. I've not played a Mage in a long time so I don't know if this is a recent change or was done long ago, but I was shocked to see the spells inside. 4 illegible spells Greater Recharging Elemental Brand Tenser's used to be arguably the most important spell book. Now it's reduced to something I don't think I'll even bother carrying around with me. Is this a bug or a feature?

July 22, 2008, 14:11	#3
Narvius Knight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Poland, Katowice Age: 30 Posts: 589	What are the four illegible spells? __________________ If you can convincingly pretend you're crazy, you probably are.

July 22, 2008, 18:57	#5
Narvius Knight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Poland, Katowice Age: 30 Posts: 589	...and why would they be removed? They don't seem overly powerful. __________________ If you can convincingly pretend you're crazy, you probably are.

July 23, 2008, 09:59	#7
Hallen Rookie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2	Oh well So what you end up with is a spell book that's pointless for a mage to bother carrying around. I'd be better off leaving it in my house and saving on weight. That feels wrong to me. Maybe my play style is different from everyone else's but i don't use bows and arrows when I'm playing a mage (beyond the first few levels, anyway). I thought that perhaps a mage should cast spells instead. And recharging? I can see some slight use for it very occasionally but no more than that. I can understand some movement of spells between books, and some reorganisation of spells in general, but this seems like the reorganisation has gone a little too far.

July 23, 2008, 19:18	#10
Narvius Knight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Poland, Katowice Age: 30 Posts: 589	Will they be returned in the upcoming version? __________________ If you can convincingly pretend you're crazy, you probably are.

July 23, 2008, 08:33	#6
Elsairon Adept Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 117	They aren't removed, just not available for the mage class.

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