Level feelings questions

Selkie · November 12, 2020, 20:26

I know this is an old topic, but my style of play relies heavily on diving fast and level feelings are so important to my play.

1) Is there an order of level feelings? For example is "there might be something worthwhile" better than "good treasures".

2) If there is a unique on the level who is carrying a good drop, does this affect the level feeling?

3) it seems like a potion of experience (at least in the first 30 levels) always generates a "superb treasure" feeling. Are there any other non artifacts that can generate superb?

4) does the plural of treasure mean anything in the level feeling? So if it says good treasures, does it mean there is more than one? Or is it just the text

fph · November 12, 2020, 20:38

Which version are you playing? In the newer ones, there is a numeric indicator LF: in the bottom row that shows their numerical value (higher is better).

Selkie · November 12, 2020, 20:46

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Originally Posted by fph

Which version are you playing? In the newer ones, there is a numeric indicator LF: in the bottom row that shows their numerical value (higher is better).

Sorry, I probably should have said... I'm playing 4.2.1. can you show me on a screenshot where I should be looking? What is the scale of the numbers?

Sideways · November 12, 2020, 20:50

The level feelings in modern V are indicated at the bottom left. They take the form LF:X-Y, where X is danger level on a scale of 1 to 9 (9 is highest) and Y is treasure level on a scale of 1 to 9 (9 is highest). Items carried by monsters do not affect level feelings (and level feelings do not affect items carried by monsters).

Selkie · November 12, 2020, 20:56

Thanks chaps, that's really helpful.

The good thing about Angband is there's always something new to discover.

Like the other day when I nearly killed a level 47 dwarf warrior by eating a scrap of flesh and ending up starving with 0 per cent hunger

DavidMedley · November 13, 2020, 02:11

Such a dwarf thing to do!

mrfy · November 13, 2020, 03:46

It's not just monster drops, but also chests that can generate good treasure with bad level feelings.

On a 2-1 level feeling at 300', found a chest. Upon opening, it released a Morning Star (Holy Avenger) (+8,+10) [+4] <+4>. Quite a find for my low level gnome mageling.

whartung · November 13, 2020, 17:22

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Originally Posted by mrfy

It's not just monster drops, but also chests that can generate good treasure with bad level feelings.

On a 2-1 level feeling at 300', found a chest. Upon opening, it released a Morning Star (Holy Avenger) (+8,+10) [+4] <+4>. Quite a find for my low level gnome mageling.

Well that's because the chest isn't anything, so it wouldn't trigger a feeling, and the item in the chest wasn't generated until you opened it. Same thing would happen if you killed a Kobold and it dropped the same thing.

Sphara · November 13, 2020, 17:45

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Originally Posted by whartung

Well that's because the chest isn't anything, so it wouldn't trigger a feeling, and the item in the chest wasn't generated until you opened it. Same thing would happen if you killed a Kobold and it dropped the same thing.

I actually had a misconception with this issue for quite some time, and I remember how it started. There was one level that had treasure feeling 8 and I could not find any item indicating that number. Finally, one last little unexplored corridor had a chest and it produced a great randart ring. I, being naturally stupid, naturally assumed by one single event, that all chests are predetermined. There was just something I had missed.

On a side note, I do not know the formula of chest item generation. I (again) assume it's something like 1d3 good item. Because of this assumption and the fact chests being very often trapped, I never attempt to disarm Multiple Traps or other magically trapped chests even as a rogue. If I don't have Disarm Traps item/spell with me, I lug the chest to my home and let it sit there as long as I have one.

Selkie · November 13, 2020, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Sphara

I actually had a misconception with this issue for quite some time, and I remember how it started. There was one level that had treasure feeling 8 and I could not find any item indicating that number. Finally, one last little unexplored corridor had a chest and it produced a great randart ring. I, being naturally stupid, naturally assumed by one single event, that all chests are predetermined. There was just something I had missed.

On a side note, I do not know the formula of chest item generation. I (again) assume it's something like 1d3 good item. Because of this assumption and the fact chests being very often trapped, I never attempt to disarm Multiple Traps or other magically trapped chests even as a rogue. If I don't have Disarm Traps item/spell with me, I lug the chest to my home and let it sit there as long as I have one.

Would opening a chest at town level have any impact on the contents of the chest compared to say opening it at dlvl50?

November 12, 2020, 20:26	#1
Selkie Adept Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: London Posts: 159	Level feelings questions I know this is an old topic, but my style of play relies heavily on diving fast and level feelings are so important to my play. 1) Is there an order of level feelings? For example is "there might be something worthwhile" better than "good treasures". 2) If there is a unique on the level who is carrying a good drop, does this affect the level feeling? 3) it seems like a potion of experience (at least in the first 30 levels) always generates a "superb treasure" feeling. Are there any other non artifacts that can generate superb? 4) does the plural of treasure mean anything in the level feeling? So if it says good treasures, does it mean there is more than one? Or is it just the text

November 12, 2020, 20:38	#2
fph Knight Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pisa / DL0 Posts: 961	Which version are you playing? In the newer ones, there is a numeric indicator LF: in the bottom row that shows their numerical value (higher is better). __________________ Dive fast, die young, leave a high-CHA corpse. -- You read a scroll labeled 'lol gtfo' of Teleport Level.

November 12, 2020, 20:50	#4
Sideways Knight Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 757	The level feelings in modern V are indicated at the bottom left. They take the form LF:X-Y, where X is danger level on a scale of 1 to 9 (9 is highest) and Y is treasure level on a scale of 1 to 9 (9 is highest). Items carried by monsters do not affect level feelings (and level feelings do not affect items carried by monsters). __________________ The Complainer worries about the lack of activity here these days.

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Selkie Adept Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: London Posts: 159	Thanks chaps, that's really helpful. The good thing about Angband is there's always something new to discover. Like the other day when I nearly killed a level 47 dwarf warrior by eating a scrap of flesh and ending up starving with 0 per cent hunger

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mrfy Swordsman Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 266	It's not just monster drops, but also chests that can generate good treasure with bad level feelings. On a 2-1 level feeling at 300', found a chest. Upon opening, it released a Morning Star (Holy Avenger) (+8,+10) [+4] <+4>. Quite a find for my low level gnome mageling.

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