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Old July 7, 2018, 03:30   #1
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Pos/Com/Frog Dragon Form

I have always wondered, but never really tried, a Draconian Monk that goes full Dragon transform.
What, if anything does a Monk/Mystic/ForceTrainer gain or lose were they to become a Dragon?
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Old July 8, 2018, 10:31   #2
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you don't get to keep your unarmed combat skills if you become a dragon, basically just your casting ability.
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Old July 8, 2018, 16:27   #3
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So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange.

Thanks, will never need to try it then.
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Old July 9, 2018, 08:42   #4
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So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that? Pretty sucky exchange.

Thanks, will never need to try it then.
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Old July 11, 2018, 16:54   #6
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So they lose the enhanced stun, retaliation, speed and all that?
This isn't correct. Monks lose the martial arts flavored attacks but your claw attack does get a chance to stun, and you keep retaliation.

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Yeah you get to keep some toys but they seem to have most of the problems metamorphed dragons usually have (losing damage in return for a harder slot layout). I'm of the opinion they were never balanced properly. The real dragons have a hard time of it, but there final form has a bunch of nice resists. Transformed dracs aren't going to grow into great wyrms, you've got the downsides with very few ups. Enough good rings, but by then a humanoid has a crazy good gear setup too.
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Wobbly--yes. I played dragon way back when in Posband a few times. Most of the species were just awful: terrible damage, and painfully limited use of "branded" attacks; I was unable to win. The big deal for dragon races was PASS_WALL. With that, i was able to win. That is fun, but highly unbalanced.
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wondering how a dragon would do with composband's reintroduced randart rings
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Old July 12, 2018, 15:01   #10
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Gwarl--
It was the damage that was a problem. Only 4 blows, and no slays, just a single brand. And base damage scaled for attacking the player, not attacking monsters with thousands of HP.
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