Variant Project

Nick · July 3, 2010, 02:37

Wouldn't it be good if all variants had the latest UI and were available in the same place? See here for some vague musings on the topic.

Sirridan · July 3, 2010, 04:54

I really like the idea, so potentially even variants that fall out of maintenance will still be "currentish"

d_m · July 3, 2010, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirridan

I really like the idea, so potentially even variants that fall out of maintenance will still be "currentish"

That might be true, although a completely unmaintained variant probably won't.

I think the idea is to make it really easy to share some of the new features (Nintendo DS support, menu scrolling code, new ncurses features, better colors, etc) between maintained variants (including Vanilla).

I imagine this would help someone update variants with a minimum of work, so that someone who doesn't really want to spend much time on X variant can still keep it current.

P.S. Nick, I responded on your blog also!

ekolis · July 3, 2010, 20:29

d_m, your reply to Nick's blog post sparked something in my head... "abstract stuff out"? Why not upgrade to C++, if making such a radical change in the architecture to begin with?

Derakon · July 3, 2010, 20:46

C++, hell, take the Python version that Blengband is creating and make it the standard. It's not like Angband needs to be performance-optimized any more.

Nick · July 3, 2010, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekolis

d_m, your reply to Nick's blog post sparked something in my head... "abstract stuff out"? Why not upgrade to C++, if making such a radical change in the architecture to begin with?

On a personal level, because I don't know crap about C++

ekolis · July 3, 2010, 23:38

Neither do I

If it were up to me, everything would be written in C# :P

Therem Harth · July 4, 2010, 00:38

I'd say no to that, as I'd rather not see Angband get embroiled in Microsoft software patent disputes.

Java might be nice, especially in view of Android being based on it... However Java for desktops is slooooowwww. Oh sure, the actual code may run faster than compiled C, but the JVM is seriously huge. It is absolute overkill for a text based game.

And languages like Python, while they may be cross-platform, are not really cross-platform enough for many Windows users.

That being said, I can think of very good reasons to switch to something other than C. Especially for anyone writing a multiplayer network version. *cough*bufferoverflow*cough*

Derakon · July 4, 2010, 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therem Harth

And languages like Python, while they may be cross-platform, are not really cross-platform enough for many Windows users.

What does this mean? My day job is Python development for a Windows platform. The interpreter installs trivially as do the vast majority of third-party libraries. If you want something to hand to other users, py2exe makes standalone executables just fine.

Therem Harth · July 4, 2010, 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derakon

What does this mean? My day job is Python development for a Windows platform. The interpreter installs trivially as do the vast majority of third-party libraries. If you want something to hand to other users, py2exe makes standalone executables just fine.

Oh... I hadn't heard of py2exe. Scratch what I said then.

July 3, 2010, 02:37	#1
Nick Vanilla maintainer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Age: 57 Posts: 9,481 Donated: $60	Variant Project Wouldn't it be good if all variants had the latest UI and were available in the same place? See here for some vague musings on the topic. __________________ One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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ekolis Knight Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA Age: 39 Posts: 918	d_m, your reply to Nick's blog post sparked something in my head... "abstract stuff out"? Why not upgrade to C++, if making such a radical change in the architecture to begin with? __________________ You read the scroll labeled NOBIMUS UPSCOTI... You are surrounded by a stasis field! The tengu tries to teleport, but fails!

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ekolis Knight Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA Age: 39 Posts: 918	Neither do I If it were up to me, everything would be written in C# :P __________________ You read the scroll labeled NOBIMUS UPSCOTI... You are surrounded by a stasis field! The tengu tries to teleport, but fails!

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