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Thraalbee · September 18, 2021, 15:26

I'm at 1 shots/round. Why so low damage?
What is difference between avd damage/round and avg thrown damage?
Not like I'm using them in melee. I guess one is with sling the other without, but again - damage is not impressive.

a Sling of Velocity (x2) (+10,+25)

19 Rounded Pebbles of Holy Might (2d2) (+10,+8)
Slays undead, demons, evil creatures.
...
Average damage/round: 32.2 vs undead and demons, 23.9 vs evil
creatures, and 15.6 vs. others.

Average thrown damage: 41.3 vs undead and demons, 30.2 vs evil
creatures, and 20.4 vs. others.

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=24653

Pete Mack · September 18, 2021, 15:48

Deadliness instead of damage means the sling is horribly crippled compared to the crossbow. The base damage on sling ammo is just catastrophically low. With thrown damage, there is a large bonus for weight, so the base damage isnt quite so crippling.

Thraalbee · September 18, 2021, 17:01

Thanks! Xbow clearly more effective.

MITZE · September 18, 2021, 23:07

Basically, with O-combat dice sides are king.

That deadliness bonus? That's to sides. +50% deadliness on a 1d4 weapon turns it into a 1d6 weapon, but on a 1d6 weapon it turns it into a 1d9 weapon.

Sling ammo, IIRC generally stays around Xd2 to Xd4, while a crossbow, in addition to having a higher base mult, does Xd5 at base IIRC.

Note that the above only takes into account the deadliness bonus by itself too; slays and brands further add base damage and deadliness on top of that.

Slings eventually do become usable, but you have to have a x4 sling with branded high-tier ammo for it.

Ingwe Ingweron · September 27, 2021, 21:15

Bug: For Smite Evil and Venom spells, the commensurate damage estimates are not showing up in the information displayed for weapons or missiles, although the message display does indicate that such damage is being done to the monster being attacked.

Nick · September 27, 2021, 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ingwe Ingweron

Bug: For Smite Evil and Venom spells, the commensurate damage estimates are not showing up in the information displayed for weapons or missiles, although the message display does indicate that such damage is being done to the monster being attacked.

Thanks, added that to your other bug.

Sacksquatch · September 28, 2021, 13:19

Late to this: Grats Nick and all!

Edit: Pardon me if this has already been reported. I'm a notorious skimmer. Played this (2.0) today on angband.live. Traveled to Belegost and moved my house there. Went down west stairs and then headed back in to Belegost to drop stuff in house, game crash. Attempted to recall into it but also crashed while fighting off uniques in that zone. Feel free to snag my save, it's under name: sasquatch

Cuboideb · September 29, 2021, 18:36

Im playing a druadan rogue. This character can sense all 'p' in the level. It's a feature ?

Sacksquatch · September 29, 2021, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuboideb

Im playing a druadan rogue. This character can sense all 'p' in the level. It's a feature ?

Yes, Druadan get telepathy.

Cuboideb · September 29, 2021, 21:24

I mean the whole level for p monsters. Other monsters are sensed only if they are close to the player

September 18, 2021, 15:26	#111
Thraalbee Knight Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Stockholm Posts: 697	Disappointing sling damage, what am I missing? I'm at 1 shots/round. Why so low damage? What is difference between avd damage/round and avg thrown damage? Not like I'm using them in melee. I guess one is with sling the other without, but again - damage is not impressive. a Sling of Velocity (x2) (+10,+25) 19 Rounded Pebbles of Holy Might (2d2) (+10,+8) Slays undead, demons, evil creatures. ... Average damage/round: 32.2 vs undead and demons, 23.9 vs evil creatures, and 15.6 vs. others. Average thrown damage: 41.3 vs undead and demons, 30.2 vs evil creatures, and 20.4 vs. others. http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=24653

September 18, 2021, 23:07	#114
MITZE Adept Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Pennsylvania, United States Posts: 244	Basically, with O-combat dice sides are king. That deadliness bonus? That's to sides. +50% deadliness on a 1d4 weapon turns it into a 1d6 weapon, but on a 1d6 weapon it turns it into a 1d9 weapon. Sling ammo, IIRC generally stays around Xd2 to Xd4, while a crossbow, in addition to having a higher base mult, does Xd5 at base IIRC. Note that the above only takes into account the deadliness bonus by itself too; slays and brands further add base damage and deadliness on top of that. Slings eventually do become usable, but you have to have a x4 sling with branded high-tier ammo for it. __________________ Everything you need to know about my roguelike playstyle: I took nearly two years to win with a single character in PosChengband. Last edited by MITZE; September 18, 2021 at 23:09. Reason: Fixed formatting.

September 27, 2021, 21:15	#115
Ingwe Ingweron Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Manhattan Beach, CA Posts: 2,122	Bug: For Smite Evil and Venom spells, the commensurate damage estimates are not showing up in the information displayed for weapons or missiles, although the message display does indicate that such damage is being done to the monster being attacked. __________________ “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.” ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

September 28, 2021, 13:19	#117
Sacksquatch Scout Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 37	Late to this: Grats Nick and all! Edit: Pardon me if this has already been reported. I'm a notorious skimmer. Played this (2.0) today on angband.live. Traveled to Belegost and moved my house there. Went down west stairs and then headed back in to Belegost to drop stuff in house, game crash. Attempted to recall into it but also crashed while fighting off uniques in that zone. Feel free to snag my save, it's under name: sasquatch Last edited by Sacksquatch; September 28, 2021 at 19:27.

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September 18, 2021, 15:48	#112
Pete Mack Prophet Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 6,706 Donated: $40	Deadliness instead of damage means the sling is horribly crippled compared to the crossbow. The base damage on sling ammo is just catastrophically low. With thrown damage, there is a large bonus for weight, so the base damage isnt quite so crippling.

September 18, 2021, 17:01	#113
Thraalbee Knight Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Stockholm Posts: 697	Thanks! Xbow clearly more effective.

September 29, 2021, 18:36	#118
Cuboideb Adept Join Date: May 2020 Location: Argentina Posts: 191	Im playing a druadan rogue. This character can sense all 'p' in the level. It's a feature ?

September 29, 2021, 21:24	#120
Cuboideb Adept Join Date: May 2020 Location: Argentina Posts: 191	I mean the whole level for p monsters. Other monsters are sensed only if they are close to the player

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