Angband 4.2.3

[Nick]

Originally Posted by will_asher

Why do hasty ents tunnel at all? That doesn't really makes sense to me. (It makes a lot more sense for balrogs than it does for ents imo. For RubberBand, I took KILL_WALL off of ents and most balrogs, but left it on Lungorthin and Gothmog.)

"An angry Ent is terrifying. Their fingers, and their toes, just freeze on to rock; and they tear it up like bread-crust. It was like watching the work of great tree-roots in a hundred years, all packed into a few moments." - Merry.

[will_asher]

Originally Posted by Nick

"An angry Ent is terrifying. Their fingers, and their toes, just freeze on to rock; and they tear it up like bread-crust. It was like watching the work of great tree-roots in a hundred years, all packed into a few moments." - Merry.

I stand corrected.

[ewert]

Originally Posted by archolewa

I was going to say this unfairly punishes Rogues, who dont have access to banishment cheese, but still arent tough enough to take on many top mobs. But then I realized this would make the otherwise useless steal xommand, and steal-and-teleport spell worth using...

Though this definitely hurts every other class really badly. Nobody can really fight Reavers, Greater Balrogs, or Wyrms without using way too many consumables. I think vaults would end up becoming shiny things you ignore.

To be fair, I don't think any class should be considered as unable to kill stuff. Some are just faster as they lack utility.

But you would still have the consumables in the floor. Often you might lack consumables, and cheesing the vault floor will be quick source of those.

[Sphara]

What's with huge failure percentage activating worn items as a warrior? Have things changed or was it really always like this?

Ring of Ice and Blue Dragon Scale Mail have 62% failure playing XL25 Dunadan Warrior. Those items are not overly powerful and they have long recharge period. Warrior already gets lower damage using devices.

[archolewa]

Originally Posted by ewert

To be fair, I don't think any class should be considered as unable to kill stuff. Some are just faster as they lack utility.

But you would still have the consumables in the floor. Often you might lack consumables, and cheesing the vault floor will be quick source of those.

Ehhh... not in my experience. The only times I've ever had to grind beyond the point of boredom was in the endgame when I was low on consumables. And I got low on consumables because I was too aggressive.

And I suppose what I mean by "can't really kill them" what I mean is "can't kill them without either burning through way too many consumables, or putting yourself at way too high risk of dying."

[Nick]

Originally Posted by Sphara

What's with huge failure percentage activating worn items as a warrior? Have things changed or was it really always like this?

Ring of Ice and Blue Dragon Scale Mail have 62% failure playing XL25 Dunadan Warrior. Those items are not overly powerful and they have long recharge period. Warrior already gets lower damage using devices.

There was a change about six weeks ago which probably caused this - see this thread.

[Sphara]

Originally Posted by Nick

There was a change about six weeks ago which probably caused this - see this thread.

Didn't understand much of this but thanks for pointing that there indeed was a change

Those are excessive numbers for early-game devices. I suppose early warrior doesn't need to rely on items like BDSM and RoI, but now their activation is borderline useless. Unless you develop a tolerance for even more "you failed to activate it properly" -messages.

[ewert]

Originally Posted by archolewa

Ehhh... not in my experience. The only times I've ever had to grind beyond the point of boredom was in the endgame when I was low on consumables. And I got low on consumables because I was too aggressive.

And I suppose what I mean by "can't really kill them" what I mean is "can't kill them without either burning through way too many consumables, or putting yourself at way too high risk of dying."

Sounds like a classic catch-22, either you need more consumables if you are actually killing stuff, or you are not killing stuff and not needing more consumables?

However, if we put say the top 3 gear items in a vault to random top 10 mobs in the vault, it would incentivize a moderate kill/consumables change, as instead of just flicking everything away from a vault you would rather kill the stuff.

Could be just a % thing as well, so that big vaults have more in mobs and small vaults might have just one item, so risk vs reward.

[MattB]

Wow.
I had already learned to detest blood falcons - in a good way X-D - but this was brutal...

[Last Messages]

> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> The blood falcon claws you (10).
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> The blood falcon bites you (16).
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> You have learned the rune of teleportation ban.
> Your Leather Scale Mail prevents you teleporting.
> You have learned the rune of anti-teleportation curse.
> Teleportation forbidden!
> You have 5 Scrolls of Teleportation (g).
> The blood falcon claws you (12).
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> The blood falcon claws you (15).
> You die.

[Pete Mack]

That is brutal. Ouch!