Looking for variant with strong endgame mages - Page 2

mewmew · July 21, 2014, 16:16

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Originally Posted by krazyhades

(no such thing as Fireball in Tolkein world, for example).

Hm, actually...

"I killed a goblin or two with a flash" - it's from "Hobbit". He used some fire magic in LoTR too.

IMO Sil went too far with their songs, obviously there was other magic too except songs, even some kind of, well, fireballs.

LostTemplar · July 26, 2014, 00:26

In LOTR mages were definitely powerfull, even without fireballs.

Therem Harth · July 26, 2014, 01:04

Gandalf was a Maia traveling incognito though. Also specifically a Maia in the service of Aule, who is associated with fire, forges, volcanoes, etc. The pyrotechnics go with the territory.

Anyway it's been a while since I read any of the Silmarillion; but the most striking example of magic that I recall from it was Eol's charm on Aredhel, which IIRC was basically mind control. Likewise Luthien's (less creepy, still powerful) spell of sleep against Morgoth. I think Sil got it right, insofar as most Elven magic seemed to work on a psychological rather than physical level.

(Like I said though, it's been a while.)

T-Mick · July 26, 2014, 02:24

The best magics, as far as I remember, were Luthien's song at Sauron's tower, which undid all of Sauron's magic and blew up the tower, and Melian's active guarding of Doriath, which, if I recall, was in constant conflict with Morgoth or Sauron's magical attacks.

Gandalf supposedly killed a few goblins with a flash of light. I usually like to think that it was just a stray lightning, which was attributed to Gandalf.

mewmew · July 26, 2014, 06:05

If stray lightnings hit when and where you want them to hit, does it matter if somebody refuse causality there because he doesn't understand the mechanics of the process

Estie · July 26, 2014, 06:13

ToME2 sorceror might be what you are looking for. Of the variants I know, thats the one with most powerful mages compared to other types.

Amnekian · August 20, 2014, 23:37

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Originally Posted by PowerWyrm

It's more or less based on the ToME2 class, so you could try that variant too.

How's ToME2 compared to ToME4? A completely different game?

mrrstark · August 20, 2014, 23:56

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Originally Posted by Amnekian

How's ToME2 compared to ToME4? A completely different game?

Totally different

HugoVirtuoso · August 21, 2014, 00:00

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Originally Posted by Estie

ToME2 sorceror might be what you are looking for. Of the variants I know, thats the one with most powerful mages compared to other types.

PosChengband's Sorcerers are decently powerful, too, though not nearly as broken as ToME2.

Amnekian · August 21, 2014, 00:10

Either I'm a moron or I can't find tome2 anywhere! Help?

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July 26, 2014, 00:26	#12
LostTemplar Knight Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 670	In LOTR mages were definitely powerfull, even without fireballs.

July 26, 2014, 01:04	#13
Therem Harth Knight Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 926	Gandalf was a Maia traveling incognito though. Also specifically a Maia in the service of Aule, who is associated with fire, forges, volcanoes, etc. The pyrotechnics go with the territory. Anyway it's been a while since I read any of the Silmarillion; but the most striking example of magic that I recall from it was Eol's charm on Aredhel, which IIRC was basically mind control. Likewise Luthien's (less creepy, still powerful) spell of sleep against Morgoth. I think Sil got it right, insofar as most Elven magic seemed to work on a psychological rather than physical level. (Like I said though, it's been a while.)

July 26, 2014, 02:24	#14
T-Mick Adept Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 120	The best magics, as far as I remember, were Luthien's song at Sauron's tower, which undid all of Sauron's magic and blew up the tower, and Melian's active guarding of Doriath, which, if I recall, was in constant conflict with Morgoth or Sauron's magical attacks. Gandalf supposedly killed a few goblins with a flash of light. I usually like to think that it was just a stray lightning, which was attributed to Gandalf.

July 26, 2014, 06:05	#15
mewmew Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 83	If stray lightnings hit when and where you want them to hit, does it matter if somebody refuse causality there because he doesn't understand the mechanics of the process

July 26, 2014, 06:13	#16
Estie Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 2,058	ToME2 sorceror might be what you are looking for. Of the variants I know, thats the one with most powerful mages compared to other types.

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Amnekian Apprentice Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 65	Either I'm a moron or I can't find tome2 anywhere! Help?

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