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Old March 28, 2016, 17:49   #1
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My attempt at the fists-only challenge

This isn't so much an "after" adventure report, but a report on my adventure...

So, I decided to try a fists only win. After a few failed attempts (or, ahem, training runs) I have a character that is viable for the mid-late game.

Here's a few highlights so far:
Jie Yu stumbled around a bit and had some near deaths with early uniques, but he kept chugging. It helped that Yu found some slay gloves early. As well as Gorlim!

In the late 30s, however, I got a little cocky after finding Evenstar and some other equipment and decided to dive. I went a little too far and am a bit over powered (I could have used some more stat pots before the dive). Luckily when I did dive to the low 50s I found a helmet of telepathy. and could get out the path of some horrible situations. For the last 30 or 45 mins of game play, I've been trying to crawl back up a few levels to where I might be more comfortable.

Until recently I didn't have an TO options, which made climbing up a little more challenging (though not as much now). Again this is my cockiness coming through...going to play a bit more cautiously for a while.

I can't take on the dlvl 40 dragons and, for the first time?, find myself relying on the !RFire and !RCold consumables.

Thoughts/strategies/etc. are welcome. So far, this has been a learning experience since, even in ironman mode, I've never really been dependent on consumables and stockpiling to be a fighter of endurance rather than one with a big damage output.
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Old March 29, 2016, 21:39   #2
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I'm back on track—I've found a speed ring, a —TO and some other decent equipment—and feel comfortable at depth. I can even clear decently sized vaults!
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Old March 30, 2016, 15:33   #3
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Jie Yu made it to the low 90s and is now going after uniques, consumables, and end-game equipment. Finding speed and TO options (it was quite a while before I found a —TO and still a bit of time before I found a second and third).

I've got equipment to raise my Dex so that I am getting 6.0 rounds. I figure I won't be able to get anymore since Dex and Strength are maxed, so I am looking for an alternate source of speed—Ingwe found Cubragol when he played Ronda, which would be nice if I found it. so I can wear a second =Damage. I wouldn't mind something with immunity (especially fire) so I can stand toe to toe with Balrogs and other uniques and not lose staffs and ?Banishment scrolls. Heck, immunity to cold would be good too. Perhaps I'll see some rings of power soon.

Just no dummy moves with the powerful uniques. I'm use to manastorming from a distance or pulverizing them in a few rounds with a MoD. I suspect the right strategy is some rounds of fisticuffs and then —TO them somewhere for a second go...and so on.

EDIT: Crap—I just checked Ronda's damage output. Without wearing Gorlim, my damage output is about 115 points less. Gorlim ups my output +8, 6 times, so with it on I'll do 68 points less. So, I really need to find another non-ring source of speed or some better gloves of power.

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Old March 30, 2016, 16:14   #4
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I've got equipment to raise my Dex so that I am getting 6.0 rounds. I figure I won't be able to get anymore since Dex and Strength are maxed
6.0 is the max blows without magical aid. With randarts you might be able to find something off weapon, but standarts doesn't have any that I can remember.
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Old April 1, 2016, 02:20   #5
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I've been slowly taking down uniques and finding consumables; I haven't really found much in equipment upgrade. And I'm getting tired of the grind, so I'm done for tonight. Perhaps I'll take on Sauron tomorrow sometime.

I am not close to a good enough damage output; though I am about mid 300s with Gorlim. It would be helpful to find a stronger =damage and I don't have much hope of finding the One Ring, which would be a game changer.

(And aside from the other rings of power and the One, I think I've found all artifacts that boost +dam...someone correct me if I'm wrong).
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Mid-300s is doable with enough consumables, assuming you're hitting the minimum speed threshold. It'll just be a long fight.
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I am not close to a good enough damage output; though I am about mid 300s with Gorlim.
It's enough. The only problem with this char is the +17 speed which is not enough vs Morgoth. I fixed that with Feanor, but if you don't find that (and if you don't find Cubragol) you'll have to put on another Ring of Power, which will reduce damage by a good amount (unless it's the One that you find of course).
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Old April 1, 2016, 13:20   #8
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If I drop excess equipment (like Razorback) at home, I'll be at +18 speed and can zap a rod or staff of speed to get close to +30 and still wear Narya. Otherwise, Narya is swapped for a +12 =Speed and I have my +30. I'll lose 12 points of damage and fire immunity, which would be ok for fighting Morgoth. However, I'd not have ESP.

I figured that later on today, I took out some remaining uniques this morning, I'd take on Sauron and scum dlvl 99 for a better =Damage and hope for Feanor or Cubragol (and to replenish consummables) before the final fight.
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Swap Nara for speed and trickery for weaponmastery, maybe. Otherwise, you can't do much better. Speed +18 is pretty brutal even for Sauron.
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Swap Nara for speed and trickery for weaponmastery, maybe. Otherwise, you can't do much better. Speed +18 is pretty brutal even for Sauron.
I have seen a +5, +5 amulet of weaponmastery. Is that the highest?

I can't remember exactly what my hit rate is when I remove the DEX bonus from trickery, it's either 5.5 or 5.8. If the former, the swap would mean about 0.5 less damage than not swapping (336 vs 335.5). If the latter, I pick up 17.8 damage (336 vs 353.8). One way, I have to attack Morgoth 29 times (with no misses); the other, 30 times (with no misses). By "hit" I mean "press a key".

Jesus—either way, I will have to land at least 180 punches (not counting any recover on Morgoth's part). Why did I think I this challenge was a good idea?

I'd really like to find another source of speed (feanor or cubragol) + a rod or staff so that I can use another =Damage or Ring of power. If I could wear a ring with +12 (instead of =speed) to get my damage to +68 (with Gorlim), I would have a max output of 408 damage per round. I would only have to hit Morgoth 25 times.

I'll have some time to play in a few hours. The plan to is go fight Sauron and then scum to find replenish consumables....I'll let folks know what happens.
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