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Old December 24, 2016, 17:53   #1
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Elveses!

Ah, I know Christmas is nigh. Perhaps I will see Father Christmas before this game is over (though he'd better come quick).
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Old December 24, 2016, 22:33   #2
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Ah, I know Christmas is nigh. Perhaps I will see Father Christmas before this game is over (though he'd better come quick).
Yep...saw them a few hours ago and my immediate thought was "Why are there elven mages in town?"
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Old December 29, 2016, 20:01   #3
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For some reason I thought it was Farmer Maggot dressed up for the holidays.
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Old December 29, 2016, 22:39   #4
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I'm not sure why, but this kind of date-based thing always felt "off" to me. It really feels too much like the gamification done by e.g. WoW where certain artifacts (or whatever) can only drop (or happen) on certain dates, thus "forcing" the obsessive players to play again and again (every single day) just to avoid "missing something". I should say that I'm mildly OCD, but it also feels incredibly unfair to players who don't play "all the time".

Obviously, I realize that as far as these things go, this particular instance is pretty benign[1], but it still makes me feel somewhat uneasy. Am I mad?

[1] I do note that it's pretty West-centric, but I don't think it's egregiously so. I have no idea how popular roguelikes are in non-Western countries, but I do think they're at least popular enough to have a few developers in Japan (Heng, Xangband, Shiren?).
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Old December 29, 2016, 23:16   #5
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I'm not sure why, but this kind of date-based thing always felt "off" to me. It really feels too much like the gamification done by e.g. WoW where certain artifacts (or whatever) can only drop (or happen) on certain dates, thus "forcing" the obsessive players to play again and again (every single day) just to avoid "missing something". I should say that I'm mildly OCD, but it also feels incredibly unfair to players who don't play "all the time".
To me, the difference is that in a roguelike, you want to get a win playing by the game's rules (so no savescumming, cheating, etc). If playing at Christmas gets an advantage, it only gives you an advantage for THAT run, and if you win on it, you'll know that you had an unusual advantage and keep it in mind when talking about it/considering it later.

The only two roguelikes I know of where playing around Christmas gives you a tangible advantage are Sil and Dungeonmans, though.

(Also, if you're really THAT OCD, no one is stopping you from changing your system clock to Christmas to access Christmas content in single player games!)
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Old December 29, 2016, 23:34   #6
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NetHack determines your character's base luck by the phase of the moon and date at which the game starts -- starting on Friday the 13th is detrimental, for example. And undead are more powerful when playing at night. That's the earliest example I can think of of the calendar having an impact on your game. The TAS of the game (still incomplete; these are the planning notes) therefore starts shortly after midnight on a Friday the 13th during the new moon, to make the game maximally difficult.
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Old December 30, 2016, 00:26   #7
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I'm not sure why, but this kind of date-based thing always felt "off" to me. It really feels too much like the gamification done by e.g. WoW where certain artifacts (or whatever) can only drop (or happen) on certain dates, thus "forcing" the obsessive players to play again and again (every single day) just to avoid "missing something". I should say that I'm mildly OCD, but it also feels incredibly unfair to players who don't play "all the time".

Obviously, I realize that as far as these things go, this particular instance is pretty benign[1], but it still makes me feel somewhat uneasy. Am I mad?
I take your point, but I think there is a balance to be struck here between your concerns and the enjoyment a bunch of people get from this fairly irrelevant Easter egg (as it were). Does it help if I say there won't be any more of these?
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With all due respect to AH, I think this easter egg is far too benign to be complaining about. I think Derakon's post about Nethack helps to put that into perspective.
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Old December 30, 2016, 01:30   #9
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Doom was released on Dec 10, 1993. I think that, every Dec 10, townspeople should be replaced with shotgun zombies. Also, Farmer Maggot should be substituted with a Cyberdemon. The town already has lava, it would be perfect.
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Doom was released on Dec 10, 1993. I think that, every Dec 10, townspeople should be replaced with shotgun zombies. Also, Farmer Maggot should be substituted with a Cyberdemon. The town already has lava, it would be perfect.
I wish I'd asked you for Easter egg ideas before I stopped being maintainer.
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